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▲ nilamo 5 hours ago

Wait what does THAT mean? They got a huge inflow of money, and since they couldn't spend it all, they... bought bonds? And the value of those bonds dropped to nearly nothing?

Because that's worse than losing money, that's incompetently giving it away.

▲alex_c 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That's the discussion I WOULD like to see on HN, rather than "omg $81B net loss".

My understanding is the opposite - Anthropic issued debt / liabilities tied to their company valuation, their company valuation skyrocketed, so the value of their liabilities also skyrocketed, resulting in a large accounting loss.

But finance is not my wheelhouse, so I would love to hear this from someone who actually knows what they're talking about.

▲npilk 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You are correct. Matt Levine discussed this in more detail in his last column (scroll down to the Anthropic section): https://wallhop.io/https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/newslet...

▲jfrbfbreudh 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes, it is analogous to selling covered calls on stock. It’s $72B in “lost profits” that they would have had had they held onto it instead of selling it.

▲runako 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Inclusion of SAFEs makes this IMHO the most plausible explanation.

I do not expect to find that Anthropic invested enough in the SAFEs of other companies to lose $80B on their investments.

▲Pragmata 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They agreed to pay some employees in their own shares to be delivered some time later. They recorded that expense then as a liability. The value of the shares increased because the company became more valuable, and therefore that liability needs to be revalued by 72 billion.

It's a nice problem to have and is pretty much an accounting artifact coming from the fact that they are paying in different currencies (USD and shares)

▲andxor 3 hours ago | parent [-]

You won't hear Ed Zitron talk about that

▲santah 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No, that's the result of their own (private) shares being worth more (which they owe to 3rd parties).

It's a good problem to have.

▲jfrbfbreudh 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes, let’s all just take wild guesses at what this means instead of just looking it up.

▲kmgallahan 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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