| ▲ | petterroea 2 hours ago |
| Recently I've gotten to a point where I am put off when a clearly vibe coded website asks for money. I have seen too many examples of people trying to earn money on apps they clearly vibe coded in an hour. Why would I pay for that - might as well make it and sideload it myself. I might even publish it for free to the app store to spite them. I really don't think you are in a position to be asking for money if you just made something using an LLM. You didn't put in much work yourself, and anyone could replicate it for the "low cost" of their LLM subscription. |
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| ▲ | weego 33 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| If your only measure of value is human labour just say that. Whether it's AI or not is irrelevant at that point if that's your stance. Obviously anyone can make anything once they've seen it implemented from someone else's idea. Maybe sometimes the idea is the value in itself, the action of taking it from zero to product is just a means to distribute the idea. |
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| ▲ | monsieurbanana 15 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > Whether it's AI or not is irrelevant at that point if that's your stance The human brain works with pattern recognition. Regardless of whether I think that llms are great or not, right now they're vastly used to produce slop (I know it doesn't have to be the case), and because of the aforementioned pattern recognition we are largely being trained to recognize ai-generated content as slop. There's really only one logical outcome: If you're trying to sell something to me and you have a vibe-coded website, it doesn't matter how great your product is, I'll never even get to see it because it's slop-by-default. And you don't even have to bring up AI at all to see how that's a bad idea. AI is flooding everything, isn't it a basic marketing strategy to differentiate yourself from the rest? |
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| ▲ | gb2d_hn 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Why would I buy a potato when I could grow one myself. Why do I give a busker money when I could play the real track on spotify. Why do we give anyone any money? Why don't we just do everything ourselves? |
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| ▲ | petterroea 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That's not really how it works, because in all your examples there is a pretty reasonable amount of work being put in that you are paying for. Many AI projects are just a few prompts away, and very little labor intensive - you are mostly just delegating. A much more accurate example would be "Why would I pay your son to mow my grass when i can get mine to do it" | | |
| ▲ | andybak 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | So do it. Everything AI assisted I've made has involved a ton of work. The only difference AI has made is that I've increased the level of my ambition and avoided a ton of things that were previously blockers. | | |
| ▲ | erfgh 3 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I think whether it requires a lot of work is not the most important factor. The important factor is how easy it is to replace it. If it was made with AI I expect it to be easily copiable with AI. Therefore it doesn't make much sense to spend a lot, if any, money on it. |
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| ▲ | dewey 44 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Many AI projects are just a few prompts away "Just a few prompts" is the new "can do that in a weekend". In reality it still takes a while to build everything, think about what features you want to have and how to prioritize them, how to build a good UX / UI, set up payment providers etc. |
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| ▲ | well_ackshually 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | >Why would I buy a potato when I could grow one myself. Because growing fruits is hard. >Why do I give a busker money when I could play the real track on spotify. Because playing music is hard. This project is just "I handed https://arnismc.com/ to Claude and it generated maps from the open data that the Swiss government puts out for free. Oh and also I'm charging you for the slop" | | |
| ▲ | rfgplk 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > This project is just "I handed https://arnismc.com/ to Claude and it generated maps from the open data that the Swiss government puts out for free. Oh and also I'm charging you for the slop" Why does this matter? I see the AI detractors still can't cope with the fact that you're allowed to charge for AI generated work. You have to be insane or severely demented to try doing something like this by hand. As a follow up I just went and looked at the arnismc project since I haven't heard of it. At least it's written in Rust, which is respectable but it's only ~200k loc of Rust? And most of it is also 100% LLM generated by the looks of it? | | |
| ▲ | well_ackshually 10 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Because if you're a talentless hack, you could have least have the decency to not charge for open data (that Swiss taxpayers have already paid for). There is nothing original, creative, new to this project. |
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| ▲ | olmo23 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I disagree. What might be "a few prompts in claude code" for you, could be a lot of work for someone else. Not everyone is comfortable setting up a domain name and hosting etc... and if you provide value, why not ask for something in return? |
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| ▲ | tiborsaas 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Why do people go to restaurants and pay significantly more when they can just buy the ingredients and cook at home? Those damn chefs make my food in 15 minutes. |
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| ▲ | samus 25 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Just tally up how long it takes to shop, cook at home, and clean up, and multiply it with the rate at $dayjob. I am pretty sure for most people on Hacker News the figure will be significantly higher than at a restaurant, and we would have to adopt a similar working style to bring the cost down, like buying and preparing in bulk, focusing on a few dishes, cooking for multiple people at once, etc. I am not exactly a fan of this kind of comparison unless one can actually freely allocate one's time, but it is illustrative. | |
| ▲ | amiga386 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Why do people go to real restaurants, with chefs who actually cook things, when they can cook at home? Possibly the quality of the food, atmosphere etc. Why do people go to pub restaurants, where one of the overworked staff will put a frozen meal in a microwave until it goes "ding", then slop it onto a plate for you? Probably not the same reasons, and you'd expect a lot cheaper, though not as cheap as the same microwave meal from the supermarket. Do people go to what they think is a real restaurant, because its marketing has diddled them, but find out it's actually a pub restaurant when they get there, replete with low-effort slop? If they do, I hope they leave a terrible review and don't come back. | | |
| ▲ | tiborsaas an hour ago | parent [-] | | Interesting division you make there, I go to both "real", higher end restaurants and "low grade" pub restaurants. For me, the the reason is the same, convenience, laziness and lack of my expertise and willingness to cook. Obviously I can judge a place based on the quality of service and food, but that's not the reason I've gone there in the first place. |
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| ▲ | busssard 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| i only see it when they provide a service and it costs to host that service |