"Roman" should be defined.

"1480"is like calling the Iraq war a British Empire endeavour imo.

epihelix 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The Romans in the 1400s still called themselves Romans and saw themselves as Romans (in Greek: Rhomaioi). They never stopped.

So, no, it's not at all like calling the Iraq war a British Empire endeavour.

It was our own much later civilisation that made the historical distinction between the older East and West combined "Roman Empire" and its continuation in the East (and sometimes in the West) post ~476 AD ("Byzantine Empire"). The Romans themselves never saw the distinction.

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gaiagraphia 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Some people in Moscow call themselves the "3rd Rome", are they Rome?

An empire is an ideology which emanates from a seat of power. Byzantium != Rome. It's different in multiple ways.

People call themselves European all over European. It doesn't mean Spain = Portugal. It's a larp.

	▲	epihelix 7 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Not at all. There was direct continuity here -- the Romans remained Romans in their eyes and never stopped. Indeed, the capital of the Empire never changed between 324 (well within what you'd call the Roman Empire) and 1204 (well into what you'd call the Byzantine Empire, when it was sacked and occupied by the Fourth Crusade). The issue is that you are viewing a single entity differently, because of a hack in the way history was taught, biased by a Western Catholic church-based perspective. The nature of being Roman changed from the early days of Rome to the final fall of the last remaining bastions in Crimea in the 1470s, of course. But the Republic was different to the early Empire, was different to the Empire in the 3rd century, was very different to the Empire in the 4th century, was different again to the Empire in the 6th century, was different to the Empire in the 9th and 10th centuries, etc, etc. But that's no different to me pointing out that the way people thought and lived and worked in the United States in the late eighteenth century was very different to how they live now in the 21st century. But we still consider these people to be American.

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znort_ 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

in a sense it is.