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▲ xboxnolifes 3 hours ago

The difference between censorship and moderation is the ability to realistically opt-out. Your friends might get mad at your for saying something, but you can choose your friends. Your community might not allow certain speech, but you generally get to choose the communities you are a part of. When the avenues where 99% of all communication go through "moderate" speech a certain way, that starts being censorship.

The difference is somewhat part who is doing the moderating, but it is far more important the ability to opt-out without significant negative impact.

▲IslandRebel 39 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

That isn't the reality of moderation. Often moderation effectively acts as a form of censorship, and the two work together. Often moderators either power trip or misunderstand the situation and allow bad actors to abuse the rules to their advantage to have people shut out of the group.

This happens, btw, when there are the most rules and heavy-handed moderation. Places that are less moderated, this rarely happens because people will directly call this behaviour out and the moderators are only intervening on important stuff, e.g., threats of violence, illegal material, etc.

▲EA-3167 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Those sounds like largely unrelated concepts that just happen to overlap somewhat in practice, and are also very individual. As a private person I don't lose anything at all by not using social media, but if I owned a local pizza shop I'd be losing a ton of business by shunning hat avenue of advertisement.

Personally I think the most useful definition for censorship in the context discussed here is *government* censorship. A company offering a product isn't forcing you to engage with it, even if it is a benefit to do so. You cannot in any way evade the oversight of your government without risking criminal penalties. Amazon can deny you their services. The government can deny you your life and freedom.

It's why the 1st Amendment protects us again government control of speech and assembly, but not the censure and pressure of our peers.

▲xboxnolifes an hour ago | parent [-]

The first amendment protects you from (mostly only direct) government retaliation on your speech. It does not define what is and isn't censorship. It doesn't even protect you from the government circumventing it by having most communications go through private avenues and then strong-arming those private entities to regulate speech. And it certainly doesn't protect you from private censorship from massive corporate entities that seemingly want to have a corporate autocracy.

▲EA-3167 16 minutes ago | parent [-]

I live in a world where Signal is free, anything can be encrypted, and the major barrier to any of that is human laziness and a lack of interest.

We don't need conspiracies, people stink at this to begin with and most DO NOT CARE. The tech world is a bubble, we are less than 1% of 1%.