| ▲ | ArcHound 11 hours ago |
| That's no reason to design devices that enable this parent behaviour. We should move in the other direction. Shaming parents who overly rely on giving kids devices for adults can be somewhat effective. I know there's no hard leverage. |
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| ▲ | tripleee 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| So.. stop producing smartphones / tablets? TVs? What's your other option? |
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| ▲ | lrvick 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Stop marketing to them to kids or normalizing kids using them? This is really not that hard. Modern app culture is highly addictive and provably poison for our brains over time. Adults can choose poison if they wish but when they give it to their kids it is called child abuse. | |
| ▲ | ArcHound 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I'm not saying go to zero. But definitely not over 3 hours and definitely not a dedicated device for them. |
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| ▲ | rpdillon 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Shaming parents who overly rely on giving kids devices for adults can be somewhat effective. I'd like to hear more about the results you've gotten with this approach. How do you approach is this with your kids? |
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| ▲ | ArcHound 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I don't have data, I don't run a study. Are you saying that shame is an ineffective mechanism of social cohesion? With my kids, I oversee everything they do (they are under 6). They average 15min daily for two episodes of a kids show. I'm not saying go to zero. But definitely not over 3 hours and definitely not a dedicated device for them. | | |
| ▲ | rpdillon 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Oh, I was just trying to figure out how you were using shame to get other parents to change their behavior, since that's what you said worked. Wasn't looking for a study. |
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| ▲ | pizza234 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > How do you approach is this with your kids? Regarding my kids: high priority, wide/curated choice (not in terms of restriction, but in terms of actively finding things they may like), accompanied learning, and, crucially, starting from a very young age. It's pretty much standard parenting, that is, one gets out what one puts in. By the time children start to pressure for this type of devices (say, 10/12), they will have learned to enjoy books and more creative activities. | | |
| ▲ | alt227 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | I am in the same boat as you, my kids have never had screens. However I do wonder that if by not teaching them to use tech sparingly at a young age, will they just fall down that hole at an older age when they are young adults? Mobile devices and social media does not get less addictive as you get older, otherwise anybody over about 30 right now would never have any issues with it. Therefore I worry its entirely possible to bring your children up completely avoiding the downfalls of screentime, but then set them up to fall later because they havent developed the guards against it or even havent 'got it out of their system' so to speak. |
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| ▲ | TZubiri 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| parents will do it anyways, so products that have child safety features are being developed |
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| ▲ | ArcHound 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's ridiculously hard to restrict all of the harmful content. And frankly, the big tech is less trustworthy by the minute. I think by having adult devices parents will be more cautious and mindful of what they are granting to their kids. | | |
| ▲ | trollbridge 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | LLMs could change all this - it's possible to quickly do pretty impressive analysis of the content of videos, games, and so forth. |
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| ▲ | veverkap 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| My only possible counterpoint in agreement is whataboutism. Companies make lots of devices designed for "negative" behavior. Not an excuse but an explanation perhaps? |
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| ▲ | ArcHound 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | What bothers me the most is targeting children. I see why we need to make axes or chemicals. But these come with disclaimers and labels as well as common sense that they are harmful. |
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| ▲ | voidfunc 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
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| ▲ | microtonal 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Our kid has certainly not had access to tablets/phones the first years of her life and only rarely until she was 9 or 10 or so. We have also banned phones from the dinner table, etc. from the beginning. Parenting takes time and focus. Putting 0-6 years olds behind a tablet screen is just absolving yourself from your responsibility as a parent. Some TV time can be ok after 3 years or so, but you have to time it strictly (so that it does not become a convenience) and exclude some types of cartoons [1]. [1] https://thesciencesurvey.com/editorial/2024/07/07/the-proble... | |
| ▲ | 0c3ca83 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's a such a shame that it's impossible to parent children without a screen in reality land. | |
| ▲ | alt227 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | What? My kids have never ever had a screen of their own. They sit still in restaurants and flights like well parented kids have for decades. Anyone who thinks screens are required for bringing up children is ignoring countless research projects which prove otherwise, and are actively hurting their childrens development. | |
| ▲ | ArcHound 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Parenting is hard. I know it firsthand. I never said zero screen time. I'm opposed to dedicated devices for children that expose them to the internet. It's ridiculously hard to restrict all of the harmful content. And frankly, the big tech is less trustworthy by the minute. | |
| ▲ | vachina 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Reality is nobody forced you to have kids. If you cannot raise your kids properly, please dont have kids. | | |
| ▲ | voidfunc 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | When has telling people to not have kids ever resulted in said people not having kids? It's a part of our instincts and biology and really really easy to do. We have to deal with the fact a lot of people produce kids they do not want or regret having. That's reality. | |
| ▲ | tripleee 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Reality is that telling future bad parents not to have kids isn't going to stop them having kids, even if you say please |
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