Of course you can have online discussion without moderation. In the most basic form: you publish on your site, I respond on mine. No moderator involved

And there are plenty of other differences besides "who", for example, "how".

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pixl97 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> can have online discussion without moderation

That's a big negatory.

>you publish on your site,

And your site gets a takedown for illegal content, or cops show up at your door and drag you out while beating you.

Life is heavily moderated in a million different ways. What we're talking about this point is just moderation or unjust moderation.

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Gareth321 4 hours ago | parent [-]

It’s hard to take down sites on Tor. Usually impossible without the full weight of the FBI/CIA. I agree with the user above: we can do decentralised communication without censorship. Of course if you start from the faulty premise that online discourse needs to occur on one of a handful of censored platforms then that’s impossible.

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cowlevel 4 hours ago | parent [-]

And so tor has a reputation of mainly being used for illegal things - because it is - and several countries just block the entire thing.

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privacyishuman 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Illegal, meaning There's laws against it, like being gay in many countries. Not morally wrong, although there is a lot of that.

	▲	ckx 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Yes, but using Tor actually can have negative effects, such as buying illegal things, like drugs, and other things that you would want to be anonymous while buying...

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sterlind 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

even in countries where it's blocked there are ways in. Chinese users are given unlisted bridges which camouflage their traffic signal.

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tgv 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yeah, that's not going to solve twitter, facebook, instagram, etc.

I'll make my position clear: many parties try to influence people, and quite a few of them do so with grave consequences. The swing to extreme right politics cannot be seen separate from internet interference. In the words of the article: it's already not "technology serving people", but rather "controlling" them.

If extreme right (or left) parties come to power, your freedom of speech and privacy is over. So it's either moderate moderation, or authoritarian moderation. And if it's up to me, it's not your choice.

	▲	Gormo 4 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		> Yeah, that's not going to solve twitter, facebook, instagram, etc. It sounds like that would precisely be a solution to the problems of using these platforms.
	▲	method_capital 4 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		LOL And here, folks, is the problem. This person is absolutely certain the far "right" is the problem ... not his beloved echo chamber censoring totalitarian "left".
	▲	howunfortunate 3 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		> The swing to extreme right politics cannot be seen separate from internet interference Correct, specifically, Elon removed widespread (and thoroughly documented) left wing interference on Twitter. Unfortunately he did eventually add back his own (in the form of boosting his own account), but it's much freer than it was, and for whatever reason Zuck decided to follow suit.