It’s sad but it’s real and it’s happening. In Brazilian news, this is actively being exploded upon and it is not reaching mainstream media properly.

[1] - https://www.instagram.com/reel/De2BfVRD30o

[2] - https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2026/10/16/meta-employees-...

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matheusmoreira 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I wouldn't attribute an eventual Lula defeat to this, however.

His 3rd term was terrible, dozens of new taxes were implemented, living costs rose, purchasing power declined, and it became obvious that he was governing through the supreme court. His campaign was overconfident and taken completely off guard when they got utterly eviscerated in the 1st round of elections earlier this month. Left wing desperation was palpable.

Partidarian judges and journalists did everything they could to help Lula, but after the presidential debates on live television, it's pretty much over. There's just no way this guy is even fit to lead the nation ever again.

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saulapremium 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Funny, that sounds exactly like what an American right-winger would say about Biden in 2024.

I guess Brazil is about to experience a shit-show similar to what the US is going through now, then. Not much hope left anywhere.

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matheusmoreira 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Lula went on national television and said he's going to end police in reply to Bolsonaro vowing to classify the drug traffickers as narcoterrorists.

It's not even a lie. These leftists do want to abolish the police and create a bolivarian national guard or whatever.

He said this despite the fact organized drug gangs have been known to wage literal drone warfare in Rio de Janeiro. I'm not even kidding.

https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/nacional/sudeste/rj/operacao-no...

I seriously doubt he's going to recover from this.

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saulapremium an hour ago | parent | next [-]

>Lula went on national television and said he's going to end police in reply to Bolsonaro vowing to classify the drug traffickers as narcoterrorists.

Without knowing much about Brazilian politics, all I can say is that I strongly doubt this. And at least a quick Google AI question suggests that your statement is not just off but completely false.

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bel8 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

You can doubt all you want. It's on the record. It was said in national television.

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matheusmoreira an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

He literally said those words. I heard them. Whole nation heard them. I saved a video of it.

Most charitable interpretation possible is he's too senile and doesn't know what he's saying anymore. Not a good look either way.

He also closed the 1st presidential debate by saying that if he won, Brazil would end. Just another one of those moments.

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nidnogg an hour ago | parent | next [-]

You and everyone else who's seen them know: these presidential debates are a JOKE. Just straight up biased towards high impact cuts for people zoned out of their minds on echo chambered social feeds

	▲	matheusmoreira an hour ago \| parent [-]
		I know. Doesn't change the fact he said it and went viral on social media two days before the election. Whatever it is he was trying and failing to say, I seriously doubt he's going to recover from the attempt. I wouldn't put much stock into the "fact checking" newspapers that AIs are sourcing truth from either. Those are all known to be biased towards him. They'll do everything in their power to paint him in a favorable light.

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saulapremium an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

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ieatcandlewax an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

When I did a quick search in brave it agreed with the statement: "Yes, during a televised debate on October 23, 2026, President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva stated that his government would "end the police" if reelected. The comment occurred while he was discussing the approval of the PEC da Segurança (Security Public Amendment) and the creation of a new Ministry of Public Security. "

I tried google and he did in fact say it: "During the TV Globo presidential debate on October 23, 2026, Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva stated: "Aprovada a PEC da Segurança eu vou criar o Ministério e ai você vai ver o que é um governo acabar, sabe, com a polícia e deixar o território livre""

Although google says that he might have been being sarcastic, and gave some additional defenses. I googled "Did Lula say he was going to end police recently?" and got these responses.

Im surprised that you got such a different result in such a short time frame, especially the "completely false" thing, as it's not far off the direct quote. What did you google?

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lastdong 22 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I did a quick search and found it was a gaffe that was corrected in the debate afterwards. The video section was isolated/clipped and spread on TikTok, etc.

Surely there must be an official fact-checking website for the election.

	▲	matheusmoreira 13 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Brazilian leftists in general do have a history of radical opposition to the military police. Some radical left parties propose abolishing it outright. "The military police has got to end" is even a line in at least one leftist movie, uttered by a "fascist" police officer no less. It's definitely an idea in the memespace of the Brazilian left. So in my opinion this "gaffe" is just him revealing his true colors in public. Like when someone gets drunk and starts saying what they're really thinking. There were numerous fact checking services, none of them particularly trustworthy. The "official" fact checking came from Globo, which hosted the debate. They're known to be biased towards him. They literally helped him out during the debate when he started screwing up his time management. I had Astra perform a thorough fact checking on both debates, and the fact checking of Globo and other major newspapers. It found a certain degree of favoritism towards Lula.

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khriss 29 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Given all the egregious things Trump has said on national TV and had the MAGA folks contort themselves into knots trying to explain and justify what he said, It's hardly the political death sentence that it used to be.

	▲	matheusmoreira 22 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		I don't doubt it. His fans will vote for him no matter what he says or what he does. He literally got a call from Epstein while in jail and nobody cares. Anything could happen in the next few hours... Just saying that it doesn't look good for him.

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lastdong 31 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

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