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▲ RussianCow 4 hours ago

> thinking real hard about what to say the next time they get together

LLMs can help tremendously with this part, though. Exploration/brainstorming, discovery, data analysis, etc can be made significantly easier with LLMs in most knowledge based fields.

▲alfjal 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

They certainly can, but I wonder if the cost will be deskilling your employees and leading brainstorming sessions towards AI psychosis.

I've seen much time wasted on strange ideas originated by an LLM. It's a lot easier for a human to organically have good ideas than to refute LLM-generated ideas that are a dead end.

▲epihelix an hour ago | parent | next [-]

If people are in charge of project management, and repeatedly fail to recognise poor ideas and instead pursue them to the detriment of productivity, then they probably shouldn't be managing that project.

All AI is doing here is rapidly identifying the people who have Peter-principled themselves.

> It's a lot easier for a human to organically have good ideas than to refute LLM-generated ideas that are a dead end.

What works better is when you can use an LLM to obtain a negative opinion on your own ideas that you think are good. LLMs aren't great at original thinking, but they're pretty good at finding the flaws in poorly thought-through human ideas.

▲bunderbunder 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is certainly what I saw. I was at a company that was a very eager early adopter of GenAI for all work. One big thing that came out of it was a bunch of effort wasted on unprofitable projects.

The chatbots kept steering people toward uncreative ideas and overshadowing novel insights that might come from genuine domain expertise. AI generated meeting summaries became a force for miscommunication as they de-emphasized or even outright misrepresented what was really important about the conversation. And people became much worse at proving ideas out before making significant resource commitments thanks to effects that we now describe with terms like AI psychosis.

▲arthurcolle 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If you are getting deskilled using LLMs, it's your usage pattern that's to blame

▲shermantanktop 20 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

That’s what they say about communism and anarchism and many other isms: if it’s not working, you aren’t doing it right. Every failed implementation gets the No True Scotsman argument.

▲4ff4 2 minutes ago | parent [-]

Youre holding it wrong bro, as they say.

▲alfjal 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I'm not speaking of myself, here...

Some companies are releasing code that nobody on the owning team has ever read or reviewed, or has any inkling exists.

▲arthurcolle an hour ago | parent | next [-]

That sounds pretty irresponsible, I can't imagine serious orgs doing that without custom governance / approval software in place

▲tdhz77 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I work for big tech. We don’t have human in the loop anymore. Ai tools handle 99%. It’s not irresponsible if done right. And the next billionaire will show that ai can be tamed, managed, and humans are the problem.

▲euiei 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If everyone uses llm output where’s the differentiation..

Sigh. Where are the actual smart people here who think deeply? This surface level stuff doesn’t cut it

▲Aerroon an hour ago | parent | next [-]

The differentiation comes from the problem space being so enormous that differentiation is almost certainly going to happen.

▲giovannibonetti 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What differentiation? Most work is bread-and-butter after you get a few years of experience. If you LLM's can automate 50% of that, it would transform society already.

▲bunderbunder 2 hours ago | parent [-]

That “after a few years’ experience” bit is the catch. What’s happening during that time is a whole bunch of skill acquisition, building mental domain models, building context- and culture-specific soft skills, etc.

All of it relies on learning and information processing capabilities that LLMs simply do not have. The idea that any of it will automatically emerge from the current architectures simply by adding more parameters is about as sensible as thinking that if you keep counting long enough eventually you’ll get to complex numbers. We’re going to need to invent new technology to fill these gaps, and there is no way of knowing how long those developments will take.