| ▲ | tapoxi 6 hours ago |
| We can use a non-deterministic system because we have test suites that act as validation gates. Other industries don't, so they have no way of knowing if the AI is bullshitting them outside of manual validation, which makes it more expensive and slower than doing it yourself. |
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| ▲ | agumonkey 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| It's a good point but in most of the places i've worked an average person could leverage any 2026 llm to improve things 50% easily. And I'm more anti-llm than not somehow. - fixing regular computers issues (confusing browser or os behavior)
- finding more possibilities with your current programs (around 2020 someone once asked me if I knew a way to capitalize a word on a computer, when she realized there was a dedicated shortcut she became ecstatic)
- having a rubberduck to discuss your daily work dead-ends
- thus decoupling from team friction as you need to ask less questions to people that might hurt you.
In more technical places, having a llm write small automation would also add up. |
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| ▲ | mr_toad 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > no way of knowing if the AI is bullshitting them Back testing, hold-out sets, cross validation. This has all happened before. |
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| ▲ | flowerlad 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > they have no way of knowing if the AI is bullshitting them That hasn’t stopped Tesla. Their self-driving cars work by connecting the car’s controls directly to a neural network. |
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| ▲ | aDyslecticCrow 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | And they're still a decade away from general road use outside of vetted streets. Tesla is still struggling with pedestrian detection in rain tests. | | |
| ▲ | qwerpy 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Your information seems to be outdated, unless every single street I’ve been on for the past year is “vetted”. All the other (consumer) car brand’s self-driving systems do have that limitation though, maybe that's where the confusion came from. Tesla is self-driving 98% of my mileage, with the 2% being when I take over to choose a specific parking spot or I’m towing/carrying something big. Don’t know much about how it does in the rain since moving to SoCal but in clear weather it hasn’t come close to hitting anyone yet. Even proactively warned me a few times while I was driving. Maybe I should let it take over in parking lots too :) | | | |
| ▲ | rergaqevrae 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | isn't that more a consequence of them using a cameras-only approach vs. Waymo/others who have other sensing-modalities to fall back on (lidar mainly)? |
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| ▲ | IncreasePosts 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | They have world simulators which verify, to an extent, the behavior of the software | | | |
| ▲ | SonOfKyuss 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I thought that pretty much every self driving algorithm in production was based on machine learning of some sort. | | |
| ▲ | mr_toad 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | In most cases it’s only the object recognition systems that use machine learning. I know that Tesla was talking about using non-deterministic AI for the decision making as well, but it’s a worry if they’re already doing it. | | | |
| ▲ | flowerlad 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Earlier Tesla self-driving software used search-based planning and conventional optimization alongside neural networks. Tesla has publicly demonstrated A* in its path planning work. | | |
| ▲ | aDyslecticCrow 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | A lawsuit revealing part of the camera analysis showed them using a classic CNN based object recognition network. |
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| ▲ | EA-3167 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | For those who won't act ethically or at least reasonably, regulation is the answer. We're not too far away from flipping the congress into something far more willing to do just that, especially with anything connected to Elon Musk. |
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| ▲ | verdverm 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| There are many tasks humans perform which have no or slow feedback loop. Even if they can audit/validate AI output, they don't know if it will be good when it reaches other humans. |
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| ▲ | Madmallard 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| test suites cover nowhere near enough to assure reliability and if they did for your system, then it's so simple that whether or not you used AI doesn't even really matter |
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| ▲ | zapataband1 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| right cause test suites never have issues |
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| ▲ | 1718627440 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yeah and getting a single example of a correct program is way easier than describing the set of all correct programs. |
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