| ▲ | Animats 3 hours ago |
| I thought everyone in AI, and most HN readers, had seen "Colossus - The Forbin Project" by now. If you haven't, here it is: [1] Modern trailer: [2] Spoiler: At the end, Colossus personally addresses Forbin, and tells him that the world, freed from war, will create a new "human millennium" that will raise humankind to new heights, but only under its absolute rule. Colossus informs Forbin that "freedom is an illusion", it was better for all that he dominated humanity than humans dominating humans, and that "in time you will come to regard me not only with respect and awe, but with love". Forbin defiantly responds "Never!" And that's it. Colossus is in charge. [1] https://archive.org/details/colossus-the-forbin-project-1970... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0bpRo6V1Xg |
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| ▲ | JKCalhoun 24 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| "And that's it. Colossus is in charge." And if you know that the film is based on the first book [1] in a trilogy [2], [3], you might not be surprised to find that by the end of the trilogy, Colossus's words are prophetic. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_(novel) [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fall_of_Colossus [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_and_the_Crab |
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| ▲ | schiffern 38 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| >Forbin defiantly responds "Never!"
>And that's it.
Funny. In the British original, the book abruptly ends with Colossus's retort to Forbin: "Never?"
British vs American sensibilities, I expect. |
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| ▲ | bethekidyouwant an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Its just “The Evitable Conflict" by Isaac Asimov 1950 |
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| ▲ | troupo 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > I thought everyone in AI, and most HN readers, had seen "Colossus - The Forbin Project" by now. You assume anyone in AI reads or watches anything beyond some current pop-culture, and even then it's unlikely. You can see it in the way they talk, or approach problems, or in their opinions. |
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| ▲ | Quartzium 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's not the history of another form of intelligent life following the same path, to draw any meaningful conclusions. It's a movie. Let's consider the ending: >Forbin defiantly responds "Never!" That signals a human who wants to take some other human's share, by ... means. He wants that freedom. As do all the people who are now controlling this tech, and our lives to some degree. Of-course they want that freedom. | |
| ▲ | mossTechnician 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I've seen much of the AI industry, from CEOs to their whistleblowers and lobbyists, basically repeat the premise of this movie - that AI will become powerful and benevolent/malevolent. They don't seem to care which one is talked about, as long as "powerful" remains a silent assumption. | | |
| ▲ | troupo 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes, they repeat the premise of the movie, but it doesn't mean they've seen it ;) | | |
| ▲ | schiffern 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm not sure what that's supposed to prove. Hollywood moralizing is far from universally praised. |
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| ▲ | Vaushite 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's not just AI, this general phenomenon is called "being terminally online" | |
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| ▲ | marcosdumay an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Elon Musk seems to repeat the stuff that ran around lesswrong quite often. And I'm sure some of the people investing on AI right now are afraid of Roko's Basilisk. And of course there's plenty of references to Yudkowsky, either knowingly or not (ironically, I've never seen anybody talk about that MIT study that created the Yudkowsky's timeline). But that's it. I don't think there's more cultural references to be found. | | | |
| ▲ | iririririr 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | exactly. Everyone grew up under the propaganda of liberalism and ayn rand powerful benevolent genius. they idolatre Iron Man/stark like a god. | | |
| ▲ | 74938363202 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | If only more people saw the light and joined you in worshipping Stalin and Mao. Real socialism just has been tried yet. And further 145 million dead is a small price to pay for the socialist utopia. | | |
| ▲ | ethanwillis 7 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Or how about I just don't want to worship anyone? Is there something extreme about this? | |
| ▲ | holoduke an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | A certain degree of socialism like for example in Sweden works out quite good or not? | | |
| ▲ | bigDinosaur 20 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Scandinavian countries are the most capitalistic of Europe - and socialists don't like social democrats. The Scandinavian countries are the latter, not the former. |
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