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| ▲ | CamperBob2 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Problem is, sometimes I do need to see the content. If only someone would "just" fucking build a viable replacement for Twitter. It's a weekend's work with the tools now available. C'mon. (pokes stick) | | |
| ▲ | deaf_coder 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | You mean like Bluesky, Threads, or Mastodon? Those services are available, however, people would not stop using Twitter and will continue to do so until we stop consuming their content, then maybe they will finally get off Twitter... | | |
| ▲ | numpad0 an hour ago | parent [-] | | It's companies. Corporate PR accounts never migrate off to Mastodon/Bluesky/Threads. Many neglects update of updates pages, announcing everything on Twitter. Some of them would move to Instagram if it makes sense to do so, but Twitter apparently makes the best ad ROI figures among Twitter-like services. | | |
| ▲ | DroneBetter 32 minutes ago | parent [-] | | a few companies (mainly those in the open-source space) run their own Mastodon instances, though this is more common for FOSS organisations |
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| ▲ | numpad0 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | IMO the reason why BS just ended up being Twitter 2.0, or 1.2 even, or why Twitter went down its path in the first place, is that the US and EU are no longer producing enough content to justify ownership or continuous iterations of such a system. Otherwise it wouldn't have been forced upon who begrudgingly got funding secured. Any of then-GAFA could have bought it and none wanted to touch it. The bad moderation on those platforms, I think, is a desperate attempt to align platform cultures to the moderating entities' standards that are no longer comprehensible to users, if known at all, like a kid on a push car moving away from the park trying to steer it back. It seemed fine until 2015 or so, streaming hundreds of novel tweets per second per user, many with novel images. Then things went downhill. Musk can't be the sole villain in it. | |
| ▲ | wolvoleo 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Mastodon doesn't have policies. Every instance has their own policies. That's the strength of mastodon. | | |
| ▲ | TFNA 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Mastodon devs have said many times that the mainstream fediverse, the original community that federates among itself, has a distinct culture and values that they wish to maintain in perpetuity. That is "policies". Yes, the tech allows parallel ecosystems of servers that don't federate with that original community, but when people talk about "Mastodon" like the OP did, they aren't talking about offshoot ecosystems. | | |
| ▲ | wolvoleo an hour ago | parent [-] | | They can say whatever they want but they have no control over it. That's the benefit of a truly decentralised network and free open source software. It's like Microsoft saying they want a distinct culture among the users of their software. They can want it but it's not gonna happen. Within the mastodon community there's also a lot of servers that won't federate, for example the Germans always have very strict rules that they try to impose on everyone else. So most of the world does not federate with them anymore. *) I mean there's even stuff like gab and truth social that run on fediverse tech. Not sure if it's mastodon itself or another implementation but that doesn't really matter. They certainly don't meet those culture and values. And there is no 'mainstream fediverse'. Nothing about fediverse is mainstream to begin with. Unfortunately. *) Don't get me wrong, I'm very progessive myself but the way the German fediverse community goes about it is wrong. "Follow exactly our rules otherwise you are defederated". That doesn't fly even if I agree with most of those rules. |
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| ▲ | numpad0 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Gargron, Apple, Google, all has/had policies for Mastodon, which were incompatible with more than 2/3 of its users(at peak). | | |
| ▲ | Vaushite 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I don't know how to understand this. Google owns Mastodon? | | |
| ▲ | numpad0 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | App distribution platforms threatened Mastodon client apps with a universal Mastodon ban unless the app publicly condemn and denounce Gab(proto Truth Social) with hardcoded connection refusal and every single servers would implement effective moderation. Gargron also decided that laws in his home country considers even linking to certain images illegal and various forms of labelings and voluntary policing from abroad tangential to legality and useless. They packaged those standards and decisions as something along necessary measures to curb terrorism or whatever, and took the measures to effectively cut off said 2/3 plus some off of the "main Mastodon network", so to speak. Those measures lasted for years, until I think less than a year ago(you'll know what I'm talking about from my immediate comment history). | | |
| ▲ | Vaushite 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I don't think you're supposed to have a Mastodon app, it's a web app. The gatekeepers don't allow apps that connect to arbitrary servers just like they don't allow new browsers, you could use them to bypass the 30% tax. You could have a kolektiva app but they obviously don't want to. What's the ""main Mastodon network""? | | |
| ▲ | wolvoleo an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | There's several apps for the fediverse though? I always use Voyager for Lemmy (I don't really like the short-form Twitter style socials so I use Lemmy not Mastodon). This is in the google play store too: https://github.com/aeharding/voyager Though I get it from F-Droid obviously. I don't know about Apple, its ecosystem is way too closed for me. But Google offers fediverse apps. | |
| ▲ | numpad0 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Sound logic doesn't matter to App Store review policies. The browser argument was made, and ignored. They were told to do what they were told or have the entire Mastodon compatible apps internally blacklisted. Gab/Truth was easy and not that controversial, but content moderation was a lot more problematic, so they introduced a published instance blocklist system and had operators join the condemnation while also throwing wrenches at instance chooser interfaces online and/or hardcoded, because otherwise the "main" part will become a permanent minority. I think any modern LLMs would see/know what I mean. Ask your agent if you need more information along this lore. | | |
| ▲ | Vaushite 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | This is the first time I've ever read a commentator tell me to just ask an LLM to write their comment for them. But for "just send me the prompt" to work, I still have to know the prompt you planned to use? | | |
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| ▲ | mschuster91 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Every instance has their own policies. That's the strength of mastodon. And its biggest weakness because instance admins keep bitchfighting with each other, holding their users hostage. | | |
| ▲ | Vaushite an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Just like HN and Reddit refuse to interoperate. But it's okay because you can just make a user account on HN, and one on Reddit. | | |
| ▲ | mschuster91 8 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It's fucking annoying however to stay in touch with people. It used to be that everyone was on Twitter and that's it. Now it's AT LEAST Twitter, Threads, Bluesky, Instagram, Mastodon and a ton of other stuff and everyone is somewhere else and no one interoperates with each other. |
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| ▲ | wolvoleo an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Well in many cases this is justified. You can't expect them to federate with something like gab (for obvious reasons), or with threads from meta. That would just aid their obvious Embrace, Extend Extinguish play here. And there are some groups like the German fediverse that stipulate a really long and very specific list of rules and block any instance that doesn't take these over 100% verbatim, no discussion allowed. Also a good reason most of them are blocked. We've had this issue before at the progressive instance I was on. But besides that most of them get along well. Mastodon is strong on bubble forming anyway but I personally like that. I hate seeing a post from a trans friend on e.g. instagram and then see hundreds of Americans falling over themselves to spew trans hate. Even though the post had nothing to do with that. I think bubbles are necessary in today's online world because many people are just not worth talking to anymore. | | |
| ▲ | mschuster91 9 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > And there are some groups like the German fediverse that stipulate a really long and very specific list of rules and block any instance that doesn't take these over 100% verbatim, no discussion allowed. Yeah guess what, I'm German LOL that's why I wrote this post > Also a good reason most of them are blocked. Well the problem is, it's still annoying from a user perspective - I don't care about the problems other instance admins have with the admins of my instance. And no, I don't want to maintain a dozen accounts just to make sure I can interact with everyone I want to. > I hate seeing a post from a trans friend on e.g. instagram and then see hundreds of Americans falling over themselves to spew trans hate. yeah the commercial social networks are just another level of shittiness, and frankly I wouldn't be surprised if a bunch of these "Americans" are just Russians in disguise. |
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| ▲ | jrm4 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That is emphatically the weakness as well. I too loved the idea of "they all have their own policies," until it came to be that those policies ended up being utterly childish "I'm taking my ball and going home the second anyone says any little thing I don't like." |
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| ▲ | Philpax 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Bluesky is founded by the same founders of Twitter and is not open and has ridiculous policies Huh? It is remarkably open and the policies are not really an issue. | | |
| ▲ | numpad0 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Bluesky has the same moderation issues as Twitter. There are people complaining their recommendation feeds are full of macho men nudity and/or furry images, or flooded by far left infights(not like relative to self-proclaimed centrism but FAR left), or straight up getting banned after they've specifically chosen the most appropriate contents, things like that. Weird thing is that my feed is largely fine other than those gotten banned went back to Twitter. Only politics topics I get are neutral, concerns in global economy, some US and more often Ukraine. No dick pics or furries or antisemetism, just cats, more cats, food pics, infosec stuffs, all as I were back on Twitter in 2009 or so. But there are enough reports of negative experience, so moderatuon is likely still a bit problematic. Or that compounding with lack of passionate users. | |
| ▲ | Vaushite 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I've gotten banned from Blue Sky for absolutely no discernible reason, and the main feeds are basically centrist slop |
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