I surely don't want a fast compiled Ruby for the tasks I would use crystal for though.

Like every one else I also used ruby for almost everything back then, usually some hundred of lines or less for processing stuff. but for tasks that run for several hours using ruby was a frustrating experience. slowness and memory consumption aside, the duck typing system and lazy evaluation of method meaning you can run to typo after hours of running session. sure, you can fix it by write the code more carefully, running smoke tests beforehand and other stuff, but it still a chore, and when you write code all days it makes you sloppier.

having a strong typed compiled language helps it immensely, and with crystal you don't have to sacrifice the easiness of programming. and you can compile it to a portable binary and run it everywhere, no need to reinstall a huge toolchain again. (yeah rust or go can also do that, but not for ruby level expressioness language)

I'm sure crystal is not the ideal language for everything you want to use, and ruby is still helpful for what you use daily. but for some tasks, crystal surely has it own advantages. you can write very capable CLI programs without have to install a single library!

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vidarh 5 hours ago | parent [-]

You're free to like Crystal of course, but for me even for long running tasks (almost my entire desktop, including my wm, terminal, editor are Ruby - I still use Ruby for almost everything; if anything, for more than ever), the Ruby ecosystem beats the steadily diminishing performance gap between MRI and an AOT compiled language to the extent that even going to TruffleRuby where I could keep almost all of my code, is rarely worth it for me.

But my main point was that people who do want a fast Ruby should be aware that Crystal isn't a Ruby in any meaningful sense - if you like Crystal for Crystal, by all means use it.

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npn 4 hours ago | parent [-]

no, I meant when your script crashes because some careless typo in the middle of the file, then you will value a compiled language. and even when there is no typo, your program can still crash due to the huge memory consumption.

also, using crystal you have parallel and concurrency to speed up your task. sure it is not as good as other matured languages, but it still does the job.

when doing with large amount of data, and with IO involved, you will see that your JIT or AOT engine for ruby still can not cut it, because in ruby there is so many layers of safety check and failure guard it is really hard to make it faster (number calculation is not everything). with crystal you can manipulate the io stream directly, avoiding a lot of intermediate steps. you can check yourself, they make a full page for it: https://crystal-lang.org/reference/1.22/guides/performance.h...

personally I do not use a single language, I just pick the most suitable language for the job I'm doing, let it be ruby, python, crystal, rust, go or typescript. but surprisingly crystal is the one I use the most everyday.

	▲	Jach 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> when your script crashes because some careless typo in the middle of the file, then you will value a compiled language How about the crashes for all the other more common reasons? It seems like a concern unrelated to whether a language is strictly AOT-compiled or not, and whether such compilation runs through a static type checker or not, and in any case surely differs a lot among programmers' experience. (Crashes from typos basically rarely if ever happened to me in Python, same with memory constraint crashes. But I've never tried running Python on anything with less than 1 GB/core, if you don't count possibly some educational usage on ancient 90s hardware or a 2004 laptop; the lowest power device was probably a Cubietruck3 from 2013 that still had a generous dual-core ARM cortex-a7 and 2 gigs.) But I agree with the sentiment, I hate it when programs crash and take out their work in progress or other state. I wish more languages adopted the Common Lisp condition system model, where errors don't crash or unwind anything by default and you can dynamically fix things and retry, or resume, or restart from a specific stack frame. There's even a book about implementing it: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DF5YVJKJ (And despite being dynamically typed, Common Lisp is compiled to native machine code, and some implementations like SBCL offer some bare-bones static checks to flag trivial typo or type mismatch issues during compilation, before running the code in question... You can also bolt on a full static type system language on top as a library if you want.)