As someone who's well-versed with the "face-saving" aspects of Indian culture, I can state with clarity that the statement they put out is completely in character.

Folks in India — especially the boomer class — are trepidated by how they're perceived over actual substance and quality of their work (exceptions exist, of course).

Edit: Sudhir Kakar's (an Indian psychoanalyst) work on Indian identity (The Inner World, Intimate Relations) helped me decode my own origin culture's internal logic. Highly recommend it for people of South Asian diaspora.

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profdevloper 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Major loss of izzat here

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throw0101c 6 hours ago | parent [-]

TIL:

> Izzat (Bengali: ইজ্জত; Hindi: इज़्ज़त; Urdu: عزت, romanized: 'izzat, lit. 'honour') literally translated: "respect" is a concept of prestige, dignity, and social respect.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izzat

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johanyc 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

TIL too. Sounds like aura.

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orsorna 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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iugtmkbdfil834 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If it is a component, then is OP wrong? Fwiw, a lot of nations have interesting variants of that kind of honor though they don't always express themselves the same way.

	▲	orsorna 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		It's more than I'm not encouraging to engage with OP's point because he just wants to be a bigot. But that is separate from India having a shame based culture.

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Routine8502 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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pizzafeelsright 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I am curious, not that I agree it exists or understand the reality of izzat, how does it differ in saving face provided by gentlemen who allow the loser to have a graceful defeat?

In martial arts the winner will often say "I got lucky" or "you almost had me" to allow the loser to save face, at least publicly, when in reality the skill gap is evident.

	▲	jvanderbot 6 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Western perspective: A bad loser tries to save face. A good winner helps them. The company we're discussing is being a bad loser.
	▲	seritools 6 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		if it only affected the company itself rather than ~the entire world, there may be face to be saved. trusted authorities have to be held to a MUCH higher standard, for good reason. no grace if you use 4 as the private key for a trusted authority.

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suitormildest0j 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This!

Also, this is the response from official Indian Ministry of Electronics & IT:

…” However, some social media accounts are indulging in fear mongering about the impact of this incident.…”

Bruh, you just literally 4 as private key

Lol

Edit: removed a section as rightly pointed out in comment below!

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abixb 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This reaction always gets me:

“One of eMudhra’s certificate authority private keys is the number 4. Not a number that starts with 4, or the number 4 followed by a few hundred random digits, just, 4… Another one is 56, and another is 115. I know, because I recovered all of them from their public certificates on my laptop just now, and it took less than a second,” wrote Helme.

Security researcher Scott Helme was among those who recovered the keys. This is a hall-of-fame level fail.

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jcbrand 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Private key, not public key.

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nayuki 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Bruh, you just literally went ——— BEGIN PUBLIC KEY ——— 4 ——— END PUBLIC KEY ———

No, their private key is 4. Moreover, you wouldn't see the literal number 4 because the PEM key file would have the cryptographic sections encoded in base64.

	▲	suitormildest0j 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		You’re right. I stand corrected! Updated comment.

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ignoramous 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Folks in India — especially the boomer class — are trepidated by how they're perceived over actual substance and quality of their work

Just the sheer size and diversity of the Indian "boomer class" could put such generalizations in doubt?

> As someone who's well-versed with the "face-saving" aspects of Indian work culture, I can state with clarity

Pause to consider that the world might appear to you as you imagine it to be. That is, it might be holding up a mirror in to your own psyche.

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throwitaway222 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Did the US just export it's awful "boomer" word to India?

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throwaway2244 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>> Boomer class

People like you are the ones make the world place to live in

	▲	TheGamerUncle 4 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		We indeed DO live IN A SOCIETY Thus People are the ones that make the world a place to live in. Thanks for your insightful reflection.
	▲	albedoa 6 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		> the ones make the world place to live in You joke, but this happened to my cousin.
	▲	rideontime 6 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		What?

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jancsika 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> As someone who's well-versed with the "face-saving" aspects of Indian work culture, I can state with clarity that the statement they put out is completely in character.

As someone who's blood is tainted with teflon and microplastics same as you, I can state with clarity that attributing universal corporate tendencies to national work culture is completely in character for a Sagittarius.