Same question to you, are you implying collective punishment applies to Trump because of what some who claimed to be his supporters at the time said?

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verdverm 2 days ago | parent [-]

interesting justifications or absolvement... is this a reframing of the planted FBI conspiracy theory?

Are you saying those people who Trump pardoned, he did not call "his people" or "true patriots"? Are you objecting to the video evidence of the crimes committed by those same people on an individual basis?

Have you looked at any of these cases yourself (done your own research)?

Are you open to considering that anti-democratic statements were made by the people on stage at the rally?

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CodeWriter23 a day ago | parent [-]

You raised the issue of J6 and implied Trump's culpability for the actions of others. If you have proof he committed a criminal act, bring it. I am simply saying you did not present any in your prior statement.

A lot of illegal things happened that day. The rule of law applies. A lot of people are still in jail related to their activities on J6, patriots and otherwise.

Since I can predict what your next point will be: The intended scope of the J6 pardons was to be those wrongly prosecuted under the Biden DoJ's on-the-fly rewrite of 18 USC 1512 (which SCOTUS agreed was an improper interpretation) or those denied habeas corpus. Some mistakes were made and there's a handful of people that received pardons when they should still be in jail. That is not ok.

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verdverm a day ago | parent [-]

> Since I can predict what your next point will be

I didn't have to write this, but awaited your predictable response and you delivered exceptionally well. You are of the group of people caught up in divisive partisan politics. If someone is not on your team you cast them into your projected enemy identities. You forget there are millions and millions of people, more than either side, that can clearly see the abuses and law breaking by both sides.

Can you acknowledge any abuses of the law by Trump? Do you believe all leaders are doing this or do you make exception for your guy? Can you recognize that he started a new forever war for his own legacy and now we are all paying the price at the pump, the grocery store, and in our national reputation?

> You raised the issue of J6 and implied Trump's culpability

I did not imply it, I let you imply it because that is the predictable nature of people who make the arguments you have about January 6, 2021, even down to the J6 abbreviation, which is only used by a select group of people who say all the same things.

The rest of the world sees things clearly. The "J6" deniers cannot due to their biases. To acknowledge reality would be to acknowledge you have been lied to and manipulated by the people you revere. I understand this is emotionally difficult. The rest of us are here to support you when you are ready.

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CodeWriter23 6 hours ago | parent [-]

> You are of the group of people caught up in divisive partisan politics.

Yes that explains me attempting a civil, fact based conversation with receipts with you. [thumbs up]

Good day to you sir.

	▲	verdverm 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		You are not bringing facts, you are bringing propaganda, and everyone knows it