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▲ balarjin 2 hours ago

Apparently, activists need something that is "open, decentralized, and user controlled". Those activists choose to use facebook. That tells me they are at least one of two things:

1. Too stupid to make a plan that could possibly work

2. Too lazy to execute on a plan that could possibly work

Knowing this is a useful signal. It tells me their judgment is terrible, and I should not listen to them ;)

▲10111001 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Apparently, activists need something that is "open, decentralized, and user controlled". Those activists choose to use facebook. That tells me they are at least one of two things:

> 1. Too stupid to make a plan that could possibly work

> 2. Too lazy to execute on a plan that could possibly work

Your comment is a pretty good example of what not to do: society/technology makes good choices harder, so flog individuals about their lack of self-discipline when they don't do yet-another hard thing. People only have so much time and self-discipline, have some empathy.

The only thing the flogging does is give the flogger the chance to feel unjustifiably superior.

> Knowing this is a useful signal. It tells me their judgment is terrible, and I should not listen to them ;)

What you're doing is a generalized method to dismiss anything and anyone:

1. Find a thing.

2. Search for some aspect that isn't perfect. Viciously criticize that aspect.

3. Dismiss the whole thing on account of that aspect.

The only thing that using Instagram tells me about these activists is that they weren't setting out to solve some ideological communication technology problem. They had other priorities.

▲estearum 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Above all, activists need something that other people are on.

TFA (and you) are just discounting the power of network effects. Tells me that your judgment is poor and I should not listen to you ;)

▲verdverm 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I would consider myself an activist, but not the Blue MAGA variety. Too much of the issue is people still think they can change minds online. In reality you are just chanting to the base, a negative feedback cycle for bad ideas that do not resonate with those outside your group.

Instead, go to where people all are, real life in the real world. I go out and talk to people all the time. I listen to them before telling them. I'm more interested in getting people talking than I am in changing their minds (right now) and providing them with ideas they are unlikely to hear online. I see my "sapphire gals" (retired nokingers) becoming less extreme, not repeating the shallow talking points. I hear them asking new questions.

Talking and working with others in person is 100x better.

▲estearum 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Sure, I agree with all that. I don’t think it’s mutually exclusive with the need to be able to organize large gatherings of loosely connected people.

▲verdverm 39 minutes ago | parent [-]

We were able to organize large groups of loosely connected people before social media. Women's sufferage and the Civil Rights movement are two notable examples. Speedrunning the moon landing after Sputnik and Kennedy's assasination another.

▲estearum 31 minutes ago | parent [-]

Yes? I’m not sure what you’re arguing or what you think I’m arguing.

▲spwa4 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And you are expecting countries to play by the rules when their existence in under threat. The EU will get people off Google, off Facebook, off fucking Pinterest even if it means moving back to Teletext.

(yes, there were "irc channels" on telext)

▲NetMageSCW 26 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

China does that - how is that working out for their population?

▲estearum 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Idk who you’re talking to or what you’re talking about.

I certainly don’t “expect” (in the normative sense) countries to continue relying on these services. Breaking network effects is hard, but I wouldn’t blame a country for trying and I’d probably be happy with them succeeding (to the extent they facilitate free expression of their people).

▲skeeter2020 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is overly harsh; it starts with the (flawed IMO) perspective that people are dedicated "professional" activists rather than amateurs from many different backgrounds who come together around something they care about and grow/evolve/deppen over time. It makes complete sense that they use tools in front of them AND don't necessarily get -what are quite subtle angles to most - all the issues with their use. It doesn't make them lazy or stupid, but if you have the skills & talents to help with this yet do nothing you might be projecting...

▲betterunix2 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

More likely these activists chose the most convenient platform for getting their message out. IG is popular and that makes it an obvious choice. Also keep in mind that activists will generally use what they are already familiar with, and Facebook runs three of the most popular platforms i.e. platforms that activists were probably already using before they became activists.

The only reason activists would switch to something else is if Facebook gives them a reason to do so. I doubt this one incident is enough of a reason.

▲metabagel 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They need to reach people where they are, so basically all the platforms where people hang out. It's not the activists who are lazy - it's people in general, who continue to use FB even though it is cluttered with ads and other distractions.

▲snickerbockers 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's because the corporations were all banding together to censor their opponents a few years ago, so they got used to the idea that large corporations are your friends. The left took an opportunistic stance on this instead of a principled one, despite the fact that they're the side that on paper is supposedly opposed to letting corporations turn into pseudo-governments.

▲zdp7 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They don't organize over Instagram. One of many social accounts had issues. Around 3000 communities participated. They are doing fine.

▲john_strinlai 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

3. they are non-technical people who go where an audience already is

▲verdverm 2 hours ago | parent [-]

The problem here is the audience is largely their own group and the opposite extreme looking for fodder or to troll. It's the same for both extremes.

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▲whoiskevin 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

ah yes. Because they don't know technology their movement has no useful information for you and you already know better than all of them.

Amazing.