> it's honestly hard to explain to people who only write within frameworks how good it's gotten.

What exactly has gotten good?

CSS is the only area that is seeing improvement, and frameworks ... use the same CSS, so no idea what you're talking about.

Most everything outside of CSS has been and continues to be shit.

Edit: Moreover, literally all frameworks as one say: give us good browser APIs so that we don't have to do any of the things we do.