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▲ paimapi an hour ago

Right, it was so much better during the Robert Moses era where urban planners bulldozed over predominantly Black communities and built interstate highways while locating all of the toxic pollution producing manufacturing to the remaining lower-income minority neighborhoods, obliterating walkability and pedestrian safety everywhere.

I think if you follow actual development stories, you'll see a lot of this continuing to hold true. Seeing NPUs as being actually effective at curbing development is very naive. NPUs rarely push back against development, and it takes a lot of organizing to even get something up for a vote at City Council. And even then, most councilmembers are taking campaign funds from private-equity backed developers.

A lot has been written about this. In my city, we call it the Atlanta Way (derogatroy). There's a recent book covering this that's a great read: https://www.ucpress.edu/books/red-hot-city/paper

▲hamdingers 26 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

The irony is our reaction to the Urban Renewal era was to introduce so many veto points and red tape to projects (both public infrastructure and private property) that we are nearly incapable of fixing the problems that era introduced.

When the NIMBYs of today work to protect and even double down on the bad decisions of that era it makes you wonder whether we've really moved on from it.

▲m1keil 13 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Have you considered that not all places have the emotional baggage like your Atlanta?

▲macrael 10 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

You might consider that many many more places than Atlanta have this same baggage, all because of Robert Moses's advice.

I grew up in Nashville and it also had a vibrant black neighborhood split in half by a highway. It was explicitly how Moses told planners across the country to get highways built it happened everywhere.

▲lifeisloving 8 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Every single real estate fortune in this country is built on theft, corruption and lies. I've worked for a couple of them and seen it at the highest levels. The most recent places I worked had lists of zip codee they were targeting, dip into those stats a bit and you see a pattern.

Hell this country is founded on the practice of stealing and reallocating land ownership on the basis of race. Its our favorite tradition.

▲flanz_10 22 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

them: "hey this is a problem"

> Right, it was so much better during the Robert Moses era where urban planners bulldozed over predominantly Black communities and built interstate highways

you: "hey have you considered that actually you're a piece of shit?"

yes, these rules exist for a reason. some places (like Atlanta) are still guilty. i'm not saying we should plow down Chesterson's fence, but your hostile tone also sucks

▲tqi 41 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

but do you think restrictive zoning and onerous permitting requirements would have prevented that? It's not like laws against murder prevented lynchings, I think in most cases these rules would have just been ignored by municipalities because they largely exist to protect monied interests not vulnerable populations.

▲Procrastes 24 minutes ago | parent [-]

Not to be argumentative, but it's worth noting that Lynchings were considered legal because there was usually a criminal accusation and local officials involved.[1] A bill has been introduced in every Congress since 1918 to make Lynching illegal. It actually became illegal with the Emmett Till Antilynching Act (H.R. 55), enacted on March 29, 2022[2].

Now it's true that it could have been prosecuted anyway as murder or a civil rights violation, but it wasn't because of that convenient interpretation.

1. https://naacp.org/find-resources/history-explained/history-l...

2. https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/55

▲vovavili 9 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

https://iep.utm.edu/fallacy/#StrawMan

▲Gibbon1 38 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Also worth mentioning architects have spent so long intentionally designing ugly modernist crap that the public reflexively assumes anything new will be an eyesore.

▲hamdingers 6 minutes ago | parent [-]

Architects are in a tough spot these days because buildings are so overregulated only a few designs are even legal, and developer margins are thin enough they only want the most efficient layout.

You do the math and you get a 5-over-1 every single time, then the same local government/residents that won't let you build any other type of building say it's ugly so you have to glue some shit to the outside to break up the massing.