I was under the impression France had amazing healthcare and schools.

Regarding healthcare, the successive governments have tried to limit the healthcare expenses by limiting the numerus clausus of trained medicine students (with the support of the doctor unions). Now there is more demand than offer (which goes to the most attractive areas), the scarcity is really high in the countryside, you can wait for months for an appointment and it will take years before new doctors are trained. There are several worrying structural problems, but compared to some other countries healthcare is quite affordable and high quality.

	▲	dominotw 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> limiting the numerus clausus of trained medicine students (with the support of the doctor unions) Same in usa. You get attacked and namecalled if you bring it up .

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gniv 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The healthcare is quite good and cheap but you have to be in the system. This means you have to have a family doctor and to have already seen the main specialists that you need. Then you can get an appt within days (usually by calling the secretary directly rather than on doctolib).

But yeah dermatology is in particularly high demand for some reason.

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an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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slibhb 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

France has great healthcare but the downside of socialized medicine is rationing.

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phillmv 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

you have a fixed pool of resources and more demand than there is availability. do you sort the queue by a impact on quality of life heuristic or do you sort the queue by willingness to pay money? in one system, people are more inconvenienced; in the other system, people with no money die or are saddled with debt.

anyways the crazy thing to me was recently learning that americans often still have to wait long periods of time in ERs and to see specialists. you're telling me y'all waste dozens of hours navigating insurance plans but you still have to wait an average of 50 days to see a dermatologist or wait for 6 hours in the ER?

believe it or not i don't wait that long here in canada

	▲	SOLAR_FIELDS an hour ago \| parent [-]
		This of course does lead us to our next question, which is "why is there more demand than there is availability?" Also for what it's worth, in all of my recent ER visits in the States (which, to be honest, are not often, perhaps 3-4 in the last decade), did not have long wait times at all. I was always seen by an initial triage doctor within a half hour

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solyin 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sounds more like merely "good" and not "great" in that case, unfortunately.

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pnw 7 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

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peterleiser 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah, they're a riot.

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carlob 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> schools