Was this in violation of the Netherlands constitution or just not explicitly illegal in Amsterdam? I don’t know the details or the incident you’re referencing, but there is generally a distinction.

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fidotron 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Basic property rights. If they weren't breaking Dutch laws then the server shouldn't be seizable.

Let's see the Dutch get a US based server that is violating Dutch laws. It will never happen.

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telotortium 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Were they actually not breaking Dutch laws? Around terrorism-related activities I would guess the laws are fairly similar across Western countries, partly due to 9/11. Speech regulation has been consistently different between the US and Europe, including the UK - the US even passed laws to refuse to enforce UK libel judgments 15 years ago after Americans became aware of their abusive effects.

If European countries banded together to direct their banks to offer services to the sanctioned ICC judges, for example, I think the US would back down on that - yes even under Trump, although there would be some bluster first.

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8note 5 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

maduro definitely wasnt breaking venesuelan law, as a clearer example, nor is Brazil's non-visa/mastercard payments system

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piltdownman 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

European countries need to get off Mastercard/Visa and US Tech and Energy dependencies first, otherwise it's just a shakedown by the US every time they hit an external legal system.

// If European countries banded together to direct their banks to offer services to the sanctioned ICC judges, for example, I think the US would back down on that - yes even under Trump, although there would be some bluster first.

That's a very good way to force the Hague Invasion Act to manifest in some form or another.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Pr...

Trump personally intervened when two US spooks were driving on the wrong side of the road in London, with the driver most likely on her phone, killed someone, and then fled the country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Harry_Dunn

Compare this with a hispanic american who severely injured someone in similar circumstances. Extradition granted and was convicted for a 32 month prison sentence in the UK.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y89k07we3o

	▲	ben_w 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> That's a very good way to force the Hague Invasion Act to manifest in some form or another. You may note from the title that this is the "American Service-Members' Protection Act". The current attempt to destroy the ICC is not due to protection of American service members, but Israeli ones. The admin is going after the court on the basis of it prosecuting American allies. However, America loses NATO if they were to invade over this. The admin (and perhaps many in the country) might like to think they can go alone, but the US has a surprisingly poor record when it comes to fighting without allies. While I'm sure Trump did his usual thing with regards to the death of Harry Dunn, "war crimes" is on a somewhat different scale to "dangerous driving".

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SomaticPirate 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This looks to be the case https://decrypt.co/381296/terrifying-precedent-dutch-hand-us...

The servers were seized under a mutual legal enforcement agreement and it remains to be seen if it underwent a separate Dutch legal review. Quite of a bit of legal footwork gets skipped when the “terrorism” charge is invoked. But it looks like the servers are not being physically turned over, the disks are being imaged and that is what is being transferred.