> These people have arguably contributed nothing to society for over a decade […] they’re being praised for being the example of best engineers.

React? We can all criticize it, but it has revolutionized the web. Llama. Did you forget what sparked the whole open-weight wave? It was that. I dislike Meta, but I would not criticize the engineers competence. They have done impressive things, check out their blog if you genuinely are curious.

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alerighi 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

React ruined the web, and the mobile development too.

Now to load a simple website that in the past was a few kB of HTML, CSS and JS you need to download Mb of JS code. Now the browser needs to use Mb of RAM just to display a stupid webpage.

For what? It was better when we had PHP pages that did produce HTML on the server side.

Another thing to me that we have to get Meta discredit for, not something good in any way.

	▲	hnlmorg 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		The web was broken long before React came along. Or have you forgotten about Angular, incompatibilities between JS engines that required hacks like jQuery, the Internet Explorer monopoly, and those who gave up on the stagnating specifications from w3c entirely so wrote their sites in Flash? Or worse, JavaApplets. Or even worse yet, ActiveX (it took a decade for South Korea to undo that latter mistake)

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soperj 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> revolutionized the web

Personally I hate what react has done to the web.

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dsauerbrun 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

what is react responsible for? If you're referring to the explosion of SPAs, I think you should direct your blame to angularjs... React was just a better version of that revolution.

	▲	calebio 5 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Agreed. React, imo, was a much better Backbone.js. Relatively lightweight primitives, composition, and JSX made building frontend applications fun without having to wire up everything by hand.
	▲	__MatrixMan__ 4 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Did the makers of anuglarjs also have a conflict of interest? Or did they ruin the web just for the love of the game?

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mahboi 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Angular would've done the same thing but more poorly

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thesuitonym 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

React was over a decade ago.

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DonHopkins 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Did you ever have one of those days when React doesn't, variables don't, and constants aren't?

For how unoriginal, unreactive, and mind-numbingly iterative over virtual DOM React is, it should be named Repeat.

"Things seem to hang on in computing just because they work a little bit." -Alan Kay

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8841428

Alan Kay also said this about his famous "Point of View is worth 80 IQ points" aphorism, which I think poignantly explains why React costs a net of 160 IQ points compared to Svelte:

>I have been keeping to "80" IQ points in the saying (thus avoiding inflation). However very few people have noticed there is no sign bit in the aphorism, and that it works just as well for "poor perspectives being worth negative 80 IQ points" (and I think we could claim inflation of stupidity in many bad directions these days ...).

Rich Harris: Rethinking Reactivity:

https://svelte.dev/blog/svelte-3-rethinking-reactivity

>There are some important technical differences (as I explain in the video above, React is not reactive) but conceptually it’s the same thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdNJ3fydeao

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blazing234 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

React did not revolutionize the web. The fuck are you talking about?

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adamnemecek 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

React is kinda shit.