I know that there are a few regulated industries that will go out of their way to not have any prod data ever exposed outside of the United States.

"China can do it cheaper" applies well to your personal projects. It doesn't apply well when you handle things like trade secrets, healthcare, or financial data.

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stymaar 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> It doesn't apply well when you handle things like trade secrets, healthcare, or financial data.

OpneAI stole valuable secrets from their customers Buckmaster and Alpöge, why should a company expect them not to do the same with their trade secrets?

	▲	lenerdenator an hour ago \| parent [-]
		I'm looking at the wiki here [0] What was the nature of Buckmaster & Alpöge's business relationship with OpenAI? When we started using Claude at my work, it wasn't just with Anthropic-hosted instances of the service. As I understand it, we use a copy hosted on a GCP Vertex AI instance. It'd be weird if Anthropic ended up with our data. If Buckmaster & Alpöge had some sort of agreement with OpenAI that their inputs would not be used to train OpenAI's models or otherwise generate revenue for the company, yeah, that's theft. If Buckmaster & Alpöge were using the same OpenAI-hosted services as everyone else with a standard EULA that effectively says "we get to look at your data and do what we want with it", well, then I don't know what they expected. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navier%E2%80%93Stokes_priority...

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redanddead 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I promise you China can do it cheaper is good enough for many corporates that have neutral views at best on the labs

These are open models, go speak to corporates see what they’re up to

Also the healthcare bit is funny. Go ask the healthcare bigs and their intermediates what they’re doing today, hint it’s India

American corporates have zero loyalty to America or Americans, and they love bypassing laws, attempting regulatory capture on American corps is braindead and shows a weak hand, as they speak all this bluster about 2-3T valuations for an easily reproducible technology

	▲	lenerdenator an hour ago \| parent [-]
		> Also the healthcare bit is funny. Go ask the healthcare bigs and their intermediates what they’re doing today, hint it’s India Funny you should mention that. I am a team lead in a healthcare IT company. On my team are two people in India and one person (besides me) in the US. These aren't contractors. They're full-time employees. Vetted, interviewed, subject to corporate policies like everyone here in the US, given a VPN to connect to things with. Wanna guess what they are absolutely forbidden from doing by the contract that our clients signed, and by extension, what the people located in the US spend a lot of time doing that they otherwise wouldn't have to? > American corporates have zero loyalty to America or Americans, and they love bypassing laws, attempting regulatory capture on American corps is braindead and shows a weak hand, as they speak all this bluster about 2-3T valuations for an easily reproducible technology No arguments there, they should be taught the meaning of loyalty.

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freecodeio 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

huh? assuming you're in america right now, the device you're using to publish that comment has been built in china or had most of it's components anyways, which are from some very trade secret-sensitive companies