| ▲ | ngruhn 20 hours ago |
| A good outcome of this crisis. These god damn fossil fuels. Never even mind climate change. Being depend on them has turned out to be a huge national security risk. Picking a seller is picking your poison: Russia, the Golf states, and now the US. |
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| ▲ | happymellon 20 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > the Golf states Scotland? |
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| ▲ | wlesieutre 20 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Certainly not the US, we only get the Golf R and GTI here and they're not particularly popular For EVs, the e-Golf has been dead for years but they may bring the name back to electric as an id.Golf next time | |
| ▲ | ngruhn 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | whoops :P | |
| ▲ | mousetree 20 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Florida | | |
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| ▲ | GuB-42 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Also not a first. The oil crisis (1973, 1979, ...) caused many countries to seek alternative energies (like nuclear), electrification, etc... |
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| ▲ | Guid_NewGuid 20 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I'm reminded of the cartoon that circulated some years back where a climate denier asks the speaker "what if we built a better world for nothing?", or something along those lines. The way these past few years have shown the absolute precarity of fossil fuel systems just proves that, preserving a comfortably liveable climate aside, renewables just make more sense across pretty much every axis. You still get people fear mongering about Chinese solar, as if we shouldn't make the most of the oversupply subsidised by a supposed geopolitical foe. Like, no, they're not going to turn it off, once you have the panel, the light hits it and the electrons jump the gap. Oil/gas can be turned off yet the speaker is somehow glossing over that. |
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| ▲ | theK 19 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > The way these past few years have shown the absolute precarity of fossil fuel systems I agree with you but wasn't the primary takeaway of these past years that there is so much corruption anywhere even remotely related to burnable fuel that one needs not one but two actual wars (key to the fossil rich world) to provide a somewhat level playing field? | |
| ▲ | neves 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | And China didn't need to bomb any country to sell solar for us. | | | |
| ▲ | dzhiurgis 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > climate denier Can we move on from climate change and focus on the fact that EVs are better in every possible way. Somehow I feel buying EV for the sake of climate change is cringe (I know, I am not a good person, but also feel most people who say they care about climate change are disingenuous). Maybe it's change of political climate, maybe it's me who changed, maybe it's the odd hate you get for driving EV, IDK. I'm not going to worry about climate 100years ago because just about everyone I know doesn't either. None of them deny it either. | | |
| ▲ | rsynnott 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | > I know, I am not a good person, but also feel most people who say they care about climate change are disingenuous Got kids? The way things are going, they’ll live in a barely habitable world. If they’re lucky; otherwise they’ll just die in it. I’m baffled that anyone is _not_ concerned about it. I suppose if you’re pretty confident that you’re going to die in the next decade or so and don’t care about other people at all, sure, whatever, carry on, but everyone else should be concerned. | | |
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| ▲ | encom 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | >the light hits it and the electrons jump the gap Yes, but the circuit is way more complex than that. You're dependant on the OEM for spare parts, support, software and whatever else, not to mention the problems inherent in putting this junk on the internet (which it will be). I am not fond of the idea of giving the CCP access to our infrastructure. | | |
| ▲ | mattlondon 19 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Software? For a solar panel? Likewise spare parts? What? I am pretty sure a solar panel is just a solar panel, a frame and some wires? The inverters and all that sure whatever just buy local. Those have not been the bottleneck - the panels have been what has been enabling the boom. | | |
| ▲ | overfeed 19 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Sadly, this is not the first time someone on HN ignorantly assumed solar panels come bundled with scary Chinese firmware in their comment. It's a failure-mode only those not familiar with the basics of solar can come up with, but are readoning it out from "first principles". | | |
| ▲ | deltoidmaximus 18 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It could happen I suppose, but most likely it would be an American company adding unnecessary spyware/rentware to a commodity product that didn't really need software in the first place and then lobbying to make the bare product illegal somehow. | |
| ▲ | dzhiurgis 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Panels obviously no (tho technically everything feasible, to a point where it can start a fire with a "backdoor"), but inverters have been found with secret modems. Just last week I started blocking my Deye from accessing internet since I've implemented local logging. |
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| ▲ | encom 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | Guid_NewGuid 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | For battery storage systems sure, but for panels, not really. The panel breaks you just throw it away and buy another. And sure China can cut us off from buying another, but we have 15 years with most panels to use them while we build out local manufacture if needed. (even beyond that point you likely get usable output) A panel is just a dumb slate of crystals that shoots out electrons, the wires and inverters and rest-of-system are up to us to design if we're indulging our China-panic. But we're basically being paid to take as many dumb panels as we can warehouse. Whether you believe that oversupply is a weapon, a mistake, or just normal industrial strategy is basically irrelevant. | |
| ▲ | triceratops 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > You're dependant on the OEM for spare parts, support, software and whatever else China also manufactures and exports ICE vehicle parts and fossil fuel extraction equipment. No one thinks that's a dangerous dependency. | |
| ▲ | cyberax 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You can have completely autonomous systems. Also, really? You think that Internet-facing software in inverters is a big deal? |
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