What bothers me about these projects is you are exposing the other side of your conversations to being uploaded to a 3rd party AI company who will ingest it in to their training data. You personally might not care about this privacy intrusion but the people you are messaging never consented to this.

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doesnt_know 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I agree with you on principal but also think that from a practical point, that ship has long sailed.

It's always been a possibility that when you sent an email to someone their provider could be building an ad profile on you. Any third party tool someone else uses to manage their personal files and communications could always have some arbitrary privacy policy that let them do what they see fit.

For the most part, you never know what random SAAS someone on the other end of a relationship is really using.

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palata 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> It's always been a possibility that when you sent an email

Yes, and that's exactly why E2EE messaging became a thing. Signal put it on the map through the WhatsApp integration.

To me there is a difference if the server spies on me (that's without E2EE) or if the person I am writing to leaks everything on the Internet.

If the person you're writing to leaks everything on the Internet, you should consider you are talking to them in public. I'm sure you don't say all the same things when you are in the metro or when you are in private, or do you?

	▲	LoganDark 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> Yes, and that's exactly why E2EE messaging became a thing. Pretty much never for email. Maybe some people go out of their way to perform PGP but that's usually only for the most sensitive of information and sometimes not even for that. The only thing I've used PGP for in many years is encrypting my home address when buying darknet drugs

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jimkleiber 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes but I'd say some people (me) like WhatsApp because of the privacy and end-to-end encryption. Email i assume is less private but still more private than a public post.

Imagine someone puts all the Signal messages someone else sent them through an AI. I dunno. I think problem is most AI doesn't work like Confer.to, also by Signal's founder.

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j_bizzle 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

People have been screenshotting conversations, saving them on their phones, and sending them to friends over text for as long as there have been conversations to screenshot.

The entire concept of conversations being "secure" is only as good as your ability to trust the other party isn't doing something insecure with them (and that yours and their devices are, themselves, as secure as you think they are. Which they generally aren't.)

All of which is to say, it's security theater and always has been when applied to real life situations.

	▲	SchemaLoad 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		There's a difference between small scale screenshotting certain conversations, and wholesale vacuuming up everything in to the AI machine.

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BorisMelnik 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

the ship has long sailed but there is a massive supertanker way worse and we don't have to make it easier on them

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j45 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It hasn't since long sailed.

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darig 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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keerthiko 17 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

it's an MCP, so you could theoretically hook it up to a private/local model/agent.

but it's an MCP, so that also means it'll be more token-verbose than an API, which means your local agent hardware is going to chug a bit.

i have reached the point of just using LLMs to build my own API servers and tooling like search, and teach the LLM how to use those APIs, rather than MCPs.

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dvt 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This ship has sailed about two decades ago. At least let's get some cool products out of it.

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WrtCdEvrydy 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This has been happening for years... I distinctly remember people giving access to contacts to Whatsapp and having the entire contacts slurped into their cloud.

	▲	palata 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		There is a big difference between leaking the contacts (that is, metadata) and the conversations themselves.

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_ink_ 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Google has most of my email because it has all of yours (2014)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43901204

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ceejayoz 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They're using a Facebook product. The privacy damage already occurred.

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palata 6 hours ago | parent [-]

WhatsApp is end-to-end encrypted, that's probably* better than using Telegram.

* Unless you want to go into a conspiracy theory that all the Meta employees can see the source code and nobody has ever felt like whistleblowing about the backdoor Meta put into WhatsApp, that is.

	▲	MYEUHD 39 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		It is end-to-end encrypted, but aren't chat history backups stored in plain text on some server?
	▲	arshxyz 44 minutes ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		even if all meta employees see the source they cannot read messages as long as keys as generated on-device, which is verifiable
	▲	SXX 4 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		WhatsApp obviously more encrypted than Telegram since later have no proper E2EE whatsorver by default and also sync all history from server. Its still preferable to use Signal since now it actually supports numberless registration. Hopefully they will actually fee payable not via credit card at some point.

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asciii 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> 3rd party AI company who will ingest it

Not like Meta is a saint...since they're competitors

	▲	Rohansi 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		True but WhatsApp is end-to-end encrypted so they shouldn't see any of your messages anyway.

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TonyFalco 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You never know what the people you're talking to are doing with your data. This isn't any different. The conversation involves 3 parties: Sender, WhatsApp & Recipient. If you want your conversation to be private, you must trust all 3.

	▲	SchemaLoad 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I never know that the people preparing my food at the restaurant are doing with it either but if I see someone doing something wrong I'm going to call it out. We should all make an effort to maintain some level of ethics even if we don't have total control over the environment. Feeding someone else's personal data in to an AI company is unethical even if there is no way as an individual to prevent someone doing that.

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throwaway27448 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The complete disintegration of the concept of intellectual property seems worth it

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delijati 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

use muse so it stays in house /s