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▲ ViktorRay 2 hours ago

I find it interesting that, several years ago when discussing AI, folks used to focus on how automation would first come for blue collar work. Things like driving being automated and truck drivers replaced. And then eventually on the horizon we would see things like this.

But we still have no self driving cars. Seems like the automation came by in the opposite direction. Perhaps driving will actually be the final thing automated.

▲JLO64 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> But we still have no self driving cars

While I agree with your statement overall, as someone who drives everyday in LA alongside Waymos without anyone inside of them I must disagree with this aspect of it.

▲amelius an hour ago | parent | next [-]

A better formulation would be: we don't know if we have self-driving cars.

Because if it became fashionable for pedestrians to wear large green dresses with red balls, and everybody would wear that, we have no idea what the AI would do.

▲SchemaLoad an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

We still have no general self driving cars. What we have is a bunch of geofenced tests. While we are closer than ever, we are still seemingly a long way away from truck drivers being obsolete was foretold over 10 years ago now.

▲reilly3000 an hour ago | parent [-]

“General” would mean winter driving and I’m not aware of any large-scale tests of things like icy conditions on hills.

Edit: nevermind. https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/waymo-toronto-winter-self-d...

▲mattnewton an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

An LLM automating web developers with 99% success rate saves the company millions of dollars and allows them to launch products and features faster.

A truck or a car that has a 99% success rate would be the top threat to society and quickly rise to the leading cause of death under 30 if widely deployed.

▲Marsymars 40 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

“99% success” is too vague to be especially meaningful in such different use cases.

99% successful web development where the 1% missing is security that and the company leaks its entire repository of user data every few months is not good.

99% successful car driving where 99% of 5-year periods have zero accidents per car is an order of magnitude safer than the average driver. (And gut feeling, I suspect approaching the tail-end of the safest drivers on the road.)

▲esalman 41 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

An LLM automating web developers basically puts the company out of business. Why would customers pay a developer when they can just build it themselves?

▲Legend2440 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>quickly rise to the leading cause of death under 30 if widely deployed.

Wait, aren't human-driven cars already the leading cause of death under 30?

▲numbsafari an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Examples?

▲vlyan 44 minutes ago | parent [-]

the point was that 99% rate of success is good enough when failure means nothing, not so much when it means dead people.

▲fliglr an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Driving is heavily regulated, and there are a million interest groups lining up to sue to stop self-driving. Imagine all the people who make their money from car crashes, for example.

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▲skybrian an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It seems fairer to say that the Waymo fleet has >4,000 driverless cars [1]. There is still a long way to go, but it's rising.

[1] https://pages.skybrian.com/2026/waymo-robotaxi-fleet/

▲layer8 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The physical world is still more difficult and messy than discrete logic (theorems, software).

▲azan_ 39 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah, as always in AI hard things are easy and easy things are hard. How many times have I heard condescending comments from programmers that radiologists are just about to be replaced by AI. And well, AI turned out to get kind of okayish at programming much faster than being acceptable at being radiologist.

▲bossyTeacher an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> folks used to focus on how automation would first come for blue collar work

Developers are guilty of hubris and they are getting slapped back to reality.

▲Xirdus 30 minutes ago | parent [-]

Developers are guilty of making reasonable projections based on contemporary industry trends, and they're getting slapped by unexpected revolution in computer science.

▲dyauspitr an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> But we still have no self driving cars.

Do you live under a rock?

▲eecks an hour ago | parent | next [-]

0 self driving cars in my country

▲what 7 minutes ago | parent [-]

There are no elephants in my country, they must not exist.

▲avazhi an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Uh, they aren’t trustworthy and they aren’t fully autonomous. So no, we indeed do not.

▲bluefirebrand an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Driving is actually regulated.

Something I'm noticing a lot is that automation finds easy footholds in unregulated industries because there's no basis to push back on it. And there's a lot more tolerance for poor quality work in unregulated industries too.

▲BurningFrog an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I have a self driving Tesla, as do many others.

▲HoldOnAMinute an hour ago | parent [-]

(Supervised)

▲za_creature an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Broadly speaking, this is proof that there will be no jobs coming after AI.

All past inventions have put some of the most miserable humans out of a job. Farming by hand is hard, so is copying books and don't even get me started on the dullness of making clothes by hand.

Driving all day isn't all that far off, though still much better than the above and definitely better than riding horses all day.

Telegraph operators? Hell no. Dude sitting in an elevator all day? No thanks.

It's always been from the other end. This time around, there's gonna be some 10-20 years of robot manufacturing, then a universal lifetime of robots fighting misaligned robots until enough paperclips have been manufactured.

Or you know, we block out the sun and live in caves or whatever you fancy.