Anytime I try mermaid for anything more complex than a toy diagram I always end up absolutely frustrated by the arcane and topologically poor layout that is produced.

Styling seems like a trivial problem by comparison.

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kepano 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I strongly agree, and that's why I designed Pele to only follow its syntax not its layout. See the examples https://pele.run/examples

The playground also has a Compare mode https://pele.run/playground

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giancarlostoro 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I kinda just shove what I want out of it to literally any basic model from the frontier labs, I usually dont need anything super fancy, but it does the job, even color coded regions for me (which is fancier than I usually do) and then I can shove that into Lucid since it can render them.

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tptacek 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Graph layout is a famously hard problem!

	▲	mcapodici 30 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		I wonder if it is almost like writing. In that to make the diagram that communicates well you need to have solved the problem properly.
	▲	thegagne 21 minutes ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		I have had good luck with D2 and elk or dagre. If you get into the nitty gritty of elk you can do a _lot_ with it.

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oliveralbertini 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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