Because they aren’t when you look at wholesale costs?

Either way. France is wholly unable to build new nuclear given the outcome of Flamanville 3 and the ruinously expensive proposed subsides for the EPR2 fleet.

While Germany still pays for expensive early renewables. Back before the industry exploded in scale.

The relevant question is where to spend the next 100b to get the most decarbonization the fastest, today.

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bdauvergne 36 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

The subsidies estimated for the EPR2 fleet (0% interest loan during construction, then reduced rate during exploitation) are 1/4 what Germany paid (365 billion) in subsidy for its renewable the last 20 years and nobody complained. All the money will be used in France/Europe meanwhile, the surplus of stable energy will benefit all its neighbors, meanwhile all the PV panels for solar production come from China. Renewables (even from France) which are responsible of much of the instability and problems of the european grid.

The 100b should be given to France to build its EPR2 fleet and save the italian electrical grid and provide backup to spanish solar production.

	▲	ViewTrick1002 a minute ago \| parent [-]
		That’s a backwards looking metric. You’re complaining that late 2000s renewable were expensive. The problem with nuclear is that it doesn’t solve stability. When cold spells hit Europe the French exports turn into imports. So all the French neighbors needs enough backup capacity, generally fossil based today, to both make up for the French exports vanishing, they experiencing the same cold spell, and exporting to France. Stick two French grids next to each other and they would quickly collapse due to how brittle they are.

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no-name-here an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> Because they aren’t when you look at wholesale costs

I searched wholesale costs - the first result - click 'Monthly' for the easiest view to digest: https://ember-energy.org/data/european-electricity-prices-an...

I also wonder how much of electricity costs in recent years have more to do with things like:

- Did France previously largely pay off the cost of building their old nuclear plants, while Germany has been spending heavily in recent years to majorly change their generation mix and build new generation? I've also heard that even France is now facing some significant challenges with the needed replacement of nukes nearing their retirement age being costly.

- How much of French and German generation buildouts were covered by the gov instead of ratepayers, if any?

However, I haven't researched the above questions.