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| ▲ | pelagicAustral 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | True, but I think there are quite a few very pragmatic people in here, and yet you see the they don't exactly go around singing praises. | | |
| ▲ | nomel 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You can usually be pragmatic but entirely emotional about something specific. Famously, Linus is both pragmatic AND emotional about being pragmatic. | | | |
| ▲ | bitwize 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The pragmatic ones are excited about where things are going. The ones complaining about "slop" are the ones going on vibes now. | | |
| ▲ | kstrauser 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | I’m strongly with you on that. Current models aren’t perfect, but neither am I. In a lot of my daily use, they’re as good as or better than I am at certain tasks. I hear people around me talking about a bad experience they had with ChatGPT last summer as though it proves all AI coding is “slop”. Honestly, it makes me sad for them. There are reasons to dislike AI, but so many detractors skip right past those to anecdata that just aren’t relevant anymore, if they ever were. | | |
| ▲ | keybored 14 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > I hear people around me talking about a bad experience they had with ChatGPT last summer as though it proves all AI coding is “slop”. They always quit right before it got good. > Honestly, it makes me sad for them. The the consternation? They’re going to be obsoleted in no time anyway, so we’re told. Are they missing out on some months’ worth of coasting as meat proxies before exponential takeoff? Is that the sad part? | |
| ▲ | bigstrat2003 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Current models are still worse than I am, or any competent developer I've ever worked with. You act as though people tried ChatGPT in 2023 and gave up forever, but that isn't what is happening here. The cold hard truth is that, contrary to what AI boosters claim, LLMs still suck at programming and output slop. | | |
| ▲ | kstrauser 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's fascinating how far experiences can diverge. I've had fantastic luck with it starting about a year ago, and it's been rapidly improving since. | |
| ▲ | biorach 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Looks like Linus doesn't agree with you | |
| ▲ | pelagicAustral 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You sound like a dinosaur looking at a meteorite. |
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| ▲ | mycall 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Also, it took a long time for rust to mature to be considered for linux kernel development. AI is faster but easier to integrate. | |
| ▲ | mrheosuper 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | As someone who hates c++ so much, he is surprisingly nice to llm. | | |
| ▲ | dist-epoch 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | LLMs write C for the kernel. He would hate them too if they only outputed C++. |
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| ▲ | teekert 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | 100%. Too many people equate LLM assisted programming with vibe coding some slop. Which is just a weird thing to do at this point. | |
| ▲ | bigstrat2003 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That's exactly why one would expect him to not embrace it. LLM usage is anti-correlated with either of those things. | | |
| ▲ | nomel 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Or, he has a full understanding that, like everything single thing he's ever been involved with in his career, it's a new tech under development and will, as every measure up to now has demonstrated, improve over time. And, as all tech that has ever existed since the beginning of man starts, has somewhat initially limited, but still very practical and real, use in its current state. Again, he's pragmatic, and has seen countless types and iterations of tech come into existence. The people expecting perfection from the start have no actual experience with the creative process, engineering or design, and and only want progress to stop (because there is, literally, without exception ever existing, no alternative to iteration). |
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