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▲ pmxi 3 hours ago

Hilarious sentence: "DeepSeek-V4.1-Flash-1017 is a minor update to DeepSeek-V4.1-Flash, delivering substantial improvements across reasoning, coding, agentic tasks, and visual benchmarks." (emphasis mine)

▲freakynit 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Kinda shows their team is more engineers than marketers.

▲boutell 24 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

But with that version number, it's not a "minor" update! It's a patchlevel update! -Engineer

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▲stavros 43 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Strictly speaking, it just shows they aren't marketers. Bad copy doesn't tell us anything about their engineering skill.

▲nchmy 39 minutes ago | parent [-]

Strictly speaking, they didn't say anything about their engineering skill

▲cardboard9926 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hoping it's minor relative to what's coming

▲jaynetics 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's not really contradictory, minor changes can have major effects.

▲mdp2021 2 hours ago | parent [-]

So they meant a "small" update - "conservative", "inexpensive"...

An example when using a less frequent term actually reduces specificity.

▲nkmnz an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's one small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind.

▲vrganj 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's about playing to two different audiences.

The CCP requires extensive certification for new major releases, to make sure a model doesn't do anything they don't want it to.

To get around this, Chinese labs only bump versions when they have to and usually claim it's a minor update.

Then on the other side, they're obviously trying to market to the tech crowd...

▲epolanski an hour ago | parent [-]

Source?

▲vrganj an hour ago | parent [-]

Drum Tower podcast (from the Economist, paywalled) about Chinese AI.

Would highly recommend it, it's IMO the only serious Western reporting about China.

▲fivedogit an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm at 1 trying to get to 10. I move to 2. Minor update. 100% improvement towards goal.

These are not mutually exclusive.

▲surgical_fire 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's a bit refreshing to read updates from an AI lab without bullshit doomerism and overwhelming sense of self-importance from shit like OpenAI and Claude.

Also, DS is an excellent model.

▲ReptileMan 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That is how exponential functions work. Improve every aspect of a system with 1% and you may get easily 50% more performance.