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▲ BenjiWiebe 2 hours ago

The article says the vast majority of places do not know where you are when you call 911; is that true?

I've toured our 911 call center, since I am a volunteer firefighter, and when you call on a cell phone you are immediately located by GPS and displayed on a map, and even tracked for a short time after you hang up.

And I would not expect Marion county Kansas to be up and coming technology-wise.

▲m-ee an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Unless it’s changed recently, Bay Area 911 calls all get routed to CHP in Vallejo and they didn’t have any information of where you are if calling from a cell phone.

Doesn’t seem fixed from a quick Google https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/cellphone-users-in-oak...

▲buildsjets 9 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Wow, you need to subscribe to a $20 per year app for 911 to work from a cellphone in Oakland.

▲pc86 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Maybe San Francisco should upgrade their tech to be on par with Kansas

▲posperson an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Perhaps its time to get them onto the ESINet with a modern SIP stack and dispatch console. You can only kick the can down the road so far, this is an upgrade that has been clearly needed for many years.

▲fhdkweig 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Does anyone know if you have to have the GPS radio of the phone switched on for that to work? I keep my GPS and WIFI radios switched off for both privacy and to reduce the drain on the battery unless I specifically need it on when lost.

▲ba1afd89f34cb23 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

The OS overrides location service settings during emergency calls

> When using Emergency SOS to call emergency services, the call may include your location, regardless of whether you enable Location Services, to allow the dispatcher to assist you.

https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/data/en/emergency-sos/

Android has a similar feature.

There is no legislation requiring this of device (or OS) vendors, but carriers are legally required to make location information available to emergency services, and I think are even prohibited from connecting phones that don’t make this possible. So market forces effectively ensure that all phones do this.

The exception is when the call is too short to get a lock for GPS and location can’t be determined. The phone will still transmit what it can (say, WiFi proximity derived location). Worse case is fall through to carrier triangulation.

▲just_mc 42 minutes ago | parent [-]

This is the correct answer.

▲ordersofmag an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There is no such thing as a GPS radio in a phone in the sense of something that broadcasts a signal. GPS signals are broadcast by satellites and any device on earth can choose to listen for the signal and triangulate their position by receiving the signal from multiple satellites. GPS doesn't send out any signal from your phone to work. In the same way that your eyeballs don't need to emit light for you to see (unless you're a superhero). Phones broadcast signal to connect to cell networks and wifi networks.

Now if you expect your phone to show your position on a map (using the GPS coordinates it calculated from the satellite signal) then it likely needs to retrieve map data from the internet (and in doing so it might be broadcasting over cell or wifi frequencies). But that's a different story.

Much confusion is caused by people saying "I tracked X with GPS" with the implication that GPS allows tracking of remote objects. It doesn't. It allows the remote object to know its own location. For that information to get to someone else (the spy in the chasing vehicle) the remote object needs to be broadcasting that location information through some other means (which has nothing to do with GPS).

▲Zigurd an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Short answer: no.

The network knows the signal strength between you and the cell towers nearest you. You are usually within range of more than one cell tower. That can locate you fairly accurately. Network data like this is used to augment GPS which can have problems among tall buildings for example.

▲foolswisdom an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Probably not, the network towers are the ones being used to triangulate I think.