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▲ keeganryan 5 hours ago

This builds on the Kickmix quantum language from Google. Essentially, Kickmix is an assembly language for classically simulatable quantum circuits, and finding more efficient circuits is basically a game of code golf with the assembly instructions. That means LLMs benefit from the closed loop of verification, and can rapidly test and discard ideas. It's not too surprising that previous academics didn't try to optimize to this level, and a good task to automate. See ecdsa.fail for another example of circuit optimization using the Kickmix language.

▲jacquesm 4 hours ago | parent [-]

It's a nice illustration of the Envelope Principle: AI is good at filling in the blanks, where the knowledge is 'within the envelope' of things already discovered but the area itself is still not fully exhausted. Real progress happens by expanding the area of the envelope, not by coloring in the blanks.

▲derektank 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

People (most people?) have spent their entire decades long careers coloring in the blanks within the envelope of human knowledge. I think it’s kind of shitty to suggest that they weren’t making “real” progress with their lives, just because AI can now do the same thing.

▲Karrot_Kream an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I'm not sure of your background, but FWIW everyone in my PhD program in my elite CS program had varying levels of anguish and angst when realizing that their efforts were mostly suited for "coloring in the blanks." The PhD Grind [1] felt like a poignant capture of those feelings.

[1]: https://dokumen.pub/the-phd-grind-a-phd-student-memoir-3.htm...

▲jacquesm 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Of course it is progress. But there are orders here: filling in the blanks is super useful and for sure you can - or should I say could - make a living with that. But there is another level above that which is where the total area is increased. That's not meant as a sleight against people that were ensuring all the ground was covered, it's just establishing the fact that there are multiple levels to knowledge.

If you want to make it seem as if I'm pissing on people that were doing useful science that's your privilege, but there is a reason we use terms like 'groundbreaking' about discoveries that are different.

As for lost careers: I've been schlepping bits my whole life, and probably an RTX 6000 could re-run that in under a year, and no doubt what I did was of less significance than that done by the lowliest of scientists. Still, I don't derive my sense of self value from what future technology can do any more than I think that a day laborer should compare themselves with a tractor or a combine.

▲enraged_camel 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>> Real progress happens by expanding the area of the envelope, not by coloring in the blanks.

This is a pretty shitty thing to say, and if you think about it for even a few minutes, you'll understand why.

▲jacquesm 3 hours ago | parent [-]

You are just echoing the words of the previous commenter in this thread. For my answer, please see there to avoid repetition.

▲gazarsgo 2 hours ago | parent [-]

"Two people noticed the same thing and I didn't learn after hearing it twice."

▲jacquesm 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Thank you for your 10th contribution to HN in a decade. I'm happy I was able to motivate you to participate, please do it more often.

▲mrmuagi an hour ago | parent [-]

Well it depends if commenting on HN is considered "within the envelope", maybe it's not real progress worth spending time on :)

▲jacquesm 28 minutes ago | parent [-]

That's a fact.

▲red75prime 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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