| ▲ | huijzer 4 hours ago |
| > We software engineers and lawyers would be smart to start retraining (and adjusting our living standards) now! As someone who recently switched from data scientist to electrician, starting the day can be pretty tough because you have to get physically moving and uncomfortable, but I feel way better at the end of the workday than after an office job. Most of the time, the work is pretty uncomfortable, but somehow it's a lot of fun. |
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| ▲ | fierycatnet 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I've done it with Local 60. I didn't last long. The work is legit heavy and hours are crazy. I lasted 4 months before I figured it is not for me. 6 am safety meetings and talk about injuries or someone getting decapitated was not a good motivator either. |
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| ▲ | pton_xd 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You weren't kidding, one of the first things that popped up when I searched Local 60 was the regional chapter talking about their Death Benefits! | | |
| ▲ | Loquebantur an hour ago | parent [-] | | It's easy to insulate a robot. The difficulty with human abilities in vision, locomotion and particularly coordination and manipulation is due to their arithmetic complexity being high. Modern deep learning solves that, LLMs provide the "interface" for planned action. From the outside, this process of "solving" perhaps looks like "robots stumble around haplessly". But it's just the same as with mathematicians in the intellectual realm: when the level of ability surpasses that of humans, it appears as a "sudden event" to outsiders, having occurred far faster than anticipated. There are no "safe havens". | | |
| ▲ | lazide 38 minutes ago | parent [-] | | The reality is that humans are far cheaper than robots in most real world situations. The only real exceptions so far are heavily controlled environments like factories. Where robots ‘win’ is following orders with no regard to self preservation or long term survival. Ponder that for a bit, and it’s consequences get a bit scary. |
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| ▲ | harvey9 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Back when I worked shifts I had a colleague who looked like he had 'flu after a set of early starts. The safety brief is supposed to motivate you to work safely so maybe they need to work on how they present it. I saw a couple of colleagues injured in my old job (EMS) but only seen a member of the public decapitated. | |
| ▲ | dver 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Arc Flash training will get your attention. |
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| ▲ | inoffensivename 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I was a software engineer at a FAANG, now an airline pilot. I feel a bigger sense of satisfaction with my job now, because at least at the end of the day I helped people get to where they needed to go. The work is was doing in big tech was pretty far from anything that would help people in any tangible way. The money isn't as good but the office view is way better. I'm glad to see very poor coverage for transportation jobs on the AI benchmarks. May that continue until I'm done flying, at least AI probably won't ruin that for me any time soon. |
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| ▲ | jcmontx 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | How much money did you spend in getting all of the hours + licenses? | |
| ▲ | caaqil 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > I'm glad to see very poor coverage for transportation jobs on the AI benchmarks. May that continue until I'm done flying, at least AI probably won't ruin that for me any time soon. No offense but pilots are probably at peak automation since their job has mostly been reduced to being a glorified AutoPilot system babysitters mainly needed for regulatory hedging. The ground transportation is still fair game though. | | |
| ▲ | jazzyjackson 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Being responsible for knowing what to do when autopilot fails has pretty good job security actually. The job might be babysitting, but no one wants to be in a flying tube without a captain that can at least let us know when we’re all going to die | | |
| ▲ | caaqil an hour ago | parent [-] | | > no one wants to be in a flying tube without a captain that can at least let us know when we’re all going to die I'm not sure how the news being delivered by a carbon-based pilot would help with the dying part but I guess hospice care exists for a reason. |
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| ▲ | dghlsakjg an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You’ve never been in a cockpit while a plane has been flying have you? | |
| ▲ | weaksauce 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | do you actually understand how modern airplanes work in practice or is this just based off the fact that an airplane can land by itself? | |
| ▲ | jpalawaga 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | is there a reason to think swe won't become the same? llm pilot, accountability guy, and has enough skill to manually pilot in extraneous situations. | | |
| ▲ | azornathogron 31 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Pilots can do that because they go through a ton of training and they deliberately do things to maintain their manual flying skills, including regularly taking manual control outside emergencies when the autopilot could fly perfectly well. And when a pilot takes control "for practice" there's no reduction in productivity for the airline compared to if the pilot is sitting in the seat with the autopilot engaged. How can software engineers maintain a healthy "manual programming" skill set?
What employer would be willing to pay for so much wasted time for their software engineers to do deliberate training courses, or willing to accept the productivity loss from their engineers occasionally working manually for practice, when working manually is so much slower? |
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| ▲ | da02 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You made the right choice. You will outlast OpenAi and Anthropic. They sell hallucinations and best guesses. The future can't be built on that. A good pilot who cares about safety and details, that can't be replaced with an LLM. |
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| ▲ | lnsru an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Hello fellow electrician, I was previously electrical engineer :-) I enjoy healthy weight loss while not sitting continuously in the office. |
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| ▲ | atlasunshrugged 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| How did you make the switch? Did you go back to school or do some sort of apprenticeship? |
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| ▲ | huijzer 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I have done multiple studies and they were always technical, so the company took a shot and hired me and would train me on the job. So far it's going well. They say I'm picking up stuff quickly and I occasionally help the head engineers with problems on their computers. This would probably be the same for most programmers. Reading drawings, connecting electrical circuits, and doing troubleshooting is surprisingly similar to programming. | | |
| ▲ | vvzz 41 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I mean, from my perspective as an engineer, electricians’ work is just extremely primitive. I do not mean this as a disrespect - its hard and important work, but its on order of magnitude simpler mentally. Of course many software "engineers" are nothing more than plumbers/electricians with data and that cohort is being quickly pushed out by AI. And our industry in general has conflated technicians and engineers which makes this worse. But fundamentally, engineers job is to model the problem from the first principles and then apply that model to whatever problem. Technicians operate within the model, so I postulate anyone considering themselves an engineer is fundamentally a more capable electrician, plumber, carpenter, whatever than any master tradesperson. I'm not speaking as someone that changed an outlet once and thinks they are now an "electrician". I have two decades of extensive property maintenance experience. I do everything myself and since my state does not allow pulling permits without licensure, I hold myself to commercial standards minimally. So EMT, MC, trapezes and gutters, no romex crap. Similarly, I will likely outsolder and outthread at least the current generation of "plumbers" that only know how to press things. What I'm saying is extremely evident in any electricians' forum where its obvious that electricians just do not understand why is NEC written certain way. Then there' usually some "oracle" on said forums "deciphering" what the code is, despite it all being a pretty basic and coherent spec. | |
| ▲ | atlasunshrugged 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Very cool! Best of luck on the transition | | |
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| ▲ | ww520 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| OT. What’s the going rate for adding a new circuit from the panel? Let’s say the circuit ended with an external outlet outside of the garage and to an outlet inside the garage. |
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| ▲ | knollimar 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Depends heavily on how hard it is to get through the wall. Also adding a new circuit to a panel is different than extending one from inside | | |
| ▲ | ww520 an hour ago | parent [-] | | Just stacco on wood frame. It’s adding a new circuit from the panel; might need to add a circuit breaker for the circuit. The wire can go through crawl space or over in attic. |
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| ▲ | huijzer 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I'm in ship construction (industrial) | |
| ▲ | toomuchtodo 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | $80-140/hr, depending on market (residential electrical work). | |
| ▲ | quickthrowman 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | For one exterior GFCI receptacle in a bell box with a weatherproof in-use cover and one GFCI receptacle in a plastic box with 50’ of 14/2 NM-B cable, I would charge you $650. I don’t do the work myself. | |
| ▲ | ThrowawayTestr 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If you run the wire yourself would only be a couple hours of labor | | |
| ▲ | kakacik 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Insurances love this trick so much they will refuse to pay anything in case it even indirectly caused any event. At least get it verified by professional, lowering financial gain of such approach a bit |
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