| ▲ | zombittack 2 hours ago |
| I live in Denver, Colorado. A Waymo drove into a farmers market. Luckily, no one was hurt. I assume a human doing this would be charged with reckless driving. Local cops said there are no laws to charge a driverless car with a crime. Absolutely stupid for a city or state government to approve autonomous systems in their municipalities without first enacting very strict and very punitive laws around these systems. This goes for surveillance, sidewalk delivery bots, and especially driverless cars. I only say this hoping Toronto is not like "The Wild West" and hopefully has protections around these tech companies stealing jobs and hording wealth in the interest of public efficiencies. |
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| ▲ | mech4bg an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| >Luckily, no one was hurt. It wasn't luck though, the cars are incredibly cautious around people. Yes the car did the wrong thing here, but it wasn't driving at speed or endangering people. |
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| ▲ | spankalee an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | This exactly. The car didn't drive into people: it followed a vendor truck into a place it shouldn't have gone, apparently slowly exited the area. It's bad, and obviously shouldn't have happened, but the car is cautious around people and didn't hit anyone. It's a far better failure mode than the typical case of a human who drives into a crowd. | |
| ▲ | jonaustin an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > drove into a farmer's market > wasn't...endangering people There's a bit of a disconnect there. | | |
| ▲ | mahboi 18 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | The first comment is like saying I drove into a building when I entered my garage. | |
| ▲ | UltraSane an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | A self driving car can drive places it isn't supposed to be while ALSO very carefully avoiding colliding with anything. |
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| ▲ | jester997 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Were you standing on top of the car at the time? |
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| ▲ | pj_mukh an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| A human driver, mowed down and killed a family of four in my city [1]. They got six days in jail. With this context, what level of punitive laws are you think for autonomous car companies? Humans drive through these situations too [3]. When people point out "reckless" behavior of autonomous cars to me, the conversation simply isn't worth having unless you're comparing to current conditions. We're looking at 40,000 deaths per year so, endless community meetings and hand-wringing around regulations is not an option, unless we're ready to first stop all human driving and have the same process for those. [1]:https://abc7news.com/post/80-year-old-san-francisco-driver-k... [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLLkGaKX7NI [3]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8gMd9XZJyg |
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| ▲ | 1shooner 13 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > is not an option, unless we're ready to first stop all human driving and have the same process for those. Why? | |
| ▲ | gruez an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >A human driver, mowed down and killed a family of four in my city [1]. They got six days in jail. And that's an easy case to prosecute too, because the driver clearly broke laws beyond just "crashing into people": >when they were killed by Lau, driving 70 miles an hour in the residential area of West Portal in San Francisco. | |
| ▲ | mlmonkey an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I happened to be in that area of West Portal on that fateful day (damn you, Noe Valley Bakery!) I did not see it happen, but went to see what that noise was all about. The images of that scene from that day still haunt me; they are very vivid. It was a terrible, terrible accident and may that old witch Mary Lau spend an eternity in hell. | |
| ▲ | janalsncm an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Two years ago, the family of four was on their way to the San Francisco Zoo with their two young children when they were killed by Lau, driving 70 miles an hour in the residential area of West Portal in San Francisco. Horrifying. Life is short, enjoy what you have. |
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| ▲ | hbn an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Did you want the cops to arrest the car? |
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| ▲ | boplicity an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Just to be clear: there are humans choosing to have the car operate. That's not just semantics. Responsibility lies with the people making the choice to cause a system to operate. | |
| ▲ | temp84858696945 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Immediately stop all Waymo's in the jurisdiction, start legal proceeding against the company. Someone signed off on software/hardware that lacked sufficient protections, find out who. | | |
| ▲ | gruez an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | >Someone signed off on software/hardware that lacked sufficient protections, find out who. Crashed prod? Straight to jail. | | | |
| ▲ | hbn an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Sure, but it's not a cop's job to perform legal proceedings. | |
| ▲ | azan_ an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Aren’t waymos actually much safer and have less incidents per mile compared with human drivers? (Yes, they are and yes they do) |
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| ▲ | mitthrowaway2 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | A driver's license suspension would be sufficient, say for six months or so? | | | |
| ▲ | Teever an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | What do you believe is the correct course of action for law enforcement to take in this situation? https://apnews.com/article/robot-germany-sexual-assault-colo... Can you extend that to this situation? |
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| ▲ | 9991 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > Local cops said there are no laws to charge a driverless car with a crime. This is bananas. Cops are not experts in the law. I'm sure a competent district attorney would be able to throw somebody in jail for this. |
