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▲ john_strinlai 2 hours ago

it seems crazy to me to steal a famous painting from a museum. the number of people willing to purchase a black market painting worth ~$millions is probably like a dozen, and the transaction would be super high risk. so many easier crimes to commit.

▲Aurornis 34 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> the number of people willing to purchase a black market painting worth ~$millions is probably like a dozen

You only need one.

With something like this I imagine you could hold on to it for years or even a lifetime waiting for the right connection to come along. Maybe some of them are even commissioned or pre-sold.

I can’t say I know anyone with stolen art, but over my lifetime I’ve known people across a range of wealth classes who got a thrill out of acquiring and owning something that was risky contraband.

▲tough 11 minutes ago | parent [-]

One would think most jobs are "by order" and thus the customer comes before the risk

▲dennyabraham an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The numbers are higher than you'd expect. The trade in illegal (and so high rarity and limited access) goods is ongoing and flourishing via the use of third party intermediaries like free port systems [1] as well as networks of morally grey curatorial and preservation staff. Several notable archaeological "missing links" of the past few years came from said staff mediating access to private collections of undescribed provenance.

[1] https://www.theartnewspaper.com/2015/07/01/experts-identify-...

▲tonyedgecombe 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For a while members of the mafia we’re stealing them to trade against their sentence if they got caught for some other crime.

▲dofm an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Or, since it’s a Renoir, maybe they were planning to distribute them as punishment.

“Thought you were going up in the world, did you Salvo? Oh no, no Armand Guillaumin for you. The boss ain’t pleased and he wants you to know about it. One more screwup and you’ll end up with a face like that”

▲john_strinlai an hour ago | parent [-]

i saw your other comment, and now this one. i dont really know much about art, and i'd love for you to help me understand your apparent disdain for renoir

▲dofm an hour ago | parent | next [-]

https://www.dailyartmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/...

▲jerf an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Ah, the classic "picture is worth a thousand words" move. Well played.

▲dofm 27 minutes ago | parent [-]

I could have picked a considerably worse face, too.

But this is a painting of his own young son, Jean (who went on to be a legendary director, screenwriter, actor).

So one presumes there's a method in it, because nobody hates a kid that much.

▲john_strinlai 39 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

i did not know they did yaoi hands in 1800s france. point taken.

▲Cpoll an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Renoir's kind of "pop" as far as Impressionists go. Laypeople like him because his work is easy to look at, but trained artists can find a lot to fault in his technique and composition. He was also kind of an asshole.

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▲SoftTalker an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Admit to additional crimes in exchange for a lighter sentence? How does that work?

▲dh2022 39 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Plea bargaining. Green river serial killer admitted to more killings (and cooperated to recover some of his victim’s bodies) in exchange for avoiding the death penalty : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Ridgway#Plea_bargain,_con...

▲DASD an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Crime gravity. If able to provide the solution to a crime that is considered more serious(or of greater value to the prosecuting entity's purview).

▲goodcanadian an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I doubt they admit to anything, but having some information that helps lead to the recovery of a valuable item could be worth something. To be honest, this is the first I have heard of the practice, but it sounds plausible to me.

▲xp84 20 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

"Hey, I don't have any idea how it got there, but I heard some guy talking about a famous stolen painting that's stashed right here in this neighborhood. Apparently a Renoir."

▲YVoyiatzis 9 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Unless you’re keeping it for yourself…

▲pelagicAustral an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I would've thought thats what crypto was meant for.

▲embedding-shape an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> the number of people willing to purchase a black market painting worth ~$millions is probably like a dozen

Right, but what about your local brick dealer who has 10-50K to waste on whatever? Definitely way more common and easier than you think to unload these sort of things, once you go down in price a lot because of the circumstances.

▲ericmay an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

There are some “criminals” and criminal gangs and such, but I think the increase we have seen is due to Russia, Iran, and others who are giving extra resources and intelligence to some of these groups to deprive western institutions of their cultural heritage as part of the “hybrid war”.

Notice how things aren’t being stolen at this magnitude in China? Japan? If we’re Russian or Iranian for example I think this would be a great strategy if you view yourself at a civilizational war. Most of Europe is still asleep or in denial.

▲gvfsa an hour ago | parent [-]

I know posting deranged tirades about the supernatural powers of Russia is HN’s favourite pastime but this goes way too far.

▲xp84 18 minutes ago | parent [-]

It's supernatural now to do crime?