I think calling it a scam is a crazy thing to say. Tesla has never not (eventually) shipped a product they said they would .

Also yes you can legally sell it. Whether you can legally operate it is a different question.

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otterley an hour ago | parent | next [-]

May I remind you of the promised 90 second battery swap…13 years ago? https://youtu.be/Oj6LaYFall4?si=RGE8mbZQFdElq0sq

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charlesabarnes 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The roadster hasn't shipped after 9 years. Including a referral program for preorders. I find it incredibly more insane to be trusting of this

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seabrookmx 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The second generation Roadster (reservations for which opened in 2017) literally is the product they didn't ship.

Also Cybercab.

How many Optimus robots are out in the wild?

It is a scam, 100%.

	▲	testing22321 an hour ago \| parent \| next [-]
		There are now 300 cyber cabs driving people around Austin, and they’re working on rolling it out. Optimus is coming, the huge factory in Austin is being built now. Late? Always. But coming.
	▲	sodra9000 an hour ago \| parent \| prev [-]
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billfor 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

He actually says in the video that it might not be legal to operate but they could still sell you one. Anything is legal off-road on your own private property.

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ygjb an hour ago | parent [-]

Yeah, once you leave the ground you aren't on your property anymore.

	▲	derektank an hour ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Not true, though the exact boundary is not well defined. See US v. Causby https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Causby
	▲	fivefifty an hour ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		Depends where you are, but generally you are good to around 400ft above your own property in most cases.
	▲	billfor an hour ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		FAA jurisdiction over the airspace is not the same as a rule prohibiting every form of powered lift-off within it. There's a lot of grey area in FAA regs - for instance you can land a plane on your lawn in class E (if you could manage it).

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m463 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There are a long list of cars that have not-really-legal abilities.

The corvette ZR-1 had a special key that would unlock all the performance. I don't think it met emissions when unlocked.

Lots of newer muscle cars have performance modes and dragstrip modes that you shouldn't use.

Even other teslas, like model 3 performance and model s plaid have have track mode and dragstrip mode that shouldn't be used on public streets.

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alasdair_ an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

He took preorders for the roadster nine years ago. It never shipped.

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bakies 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

this is a new roadster, the previous roadster hasnt sold a unit

	▲	javascriptfan69 an hour ago \| parent [-]
		WAIT THIS ISN'T THE ONE THAT PEOPLE PREORDERED NINE YEARS AGO?