> Apple has so much money that they can actually afford to be world class in both

This is what gets me. Think about only bugs, not a single wishlist feature, just bugs. Limit to obvious-to-normies defects: so, UI bugs (ultra-low contrast oddity with certain backgrounds while scrolling lock screen notification center) or popular-feature bugs (AirDrop demands “everyone“ to receive from people in contacts, apparently in at least a couple cases).

At least in the case of UI bugs, no secret sauce seems to be required to resolve them. No particularly special feats of engineering. It seems simply dollars can fix them: QA & engineering. When I discover these obvious defects, update iOS multiple times over the course of months, and continue to experience them, I can only assume Apple prioritized having cash on hand over investing in my (our) experience.

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bisby 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

My macbook updated to Golden Gate, and upon reboot, a bunch of stuff was mysteriously not working. Couldn't access my NAS. couldn't reach my home assistant dashboard... I could still SSH into the devices, just couldn't reach them via firefox, or chrome, or a few other apps. So it wasn't my networking being out...

Turns out "forgot to ask for local network access and since the prompt was never allowed, default to denied" is a known bug, and since it never asked, there is no way to toggle either. It was just a bullet point in the reddit thread of networking things that broke in macos 27. It had a solution. Somehow my terminal had known to ask for permission, so it got it, but all my UI apps didn't.

I had to sudo a change to remove my local network from the local network list, and then it worked.

I would think that "suddenly all my local services stopped working" is a noticeable to normies bug. Most normies won't have a ton of local services, but normies that live with techies probably will have a few.

	▲	msdz 10 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> normies The tinfoil hat explanation for this is that everyone at Apple is using iCloud for everything, and thus would never encounter a bug with locally-hosted services.

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rootusrootus 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The number of incredibly obvious bugs in Screen Time that make it frequently useless just boggles my mind. It has never worked for us at anything like 100%, it is hit or miss and frequently just does randomly stupid things. Settings reverting on their own, new app categories appearing out of thin air, etc.

Just one more thing that sours me on their stuff when I'm otherwise inclined to like it.

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sen 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You can’t even block YouTube on your kids devices because Screen Time doesn’t see that YT is installed.

A known bug for years now.

Then good luck getting the time limits to work. It’ll tell the kids “5 minutes left!” then just let them keep going.

	▲	hdgvhicv 9 hours ago \| parent [-]
		That’s odd as I do that quite successfully with my kids. Parental controls are far superior to Microsoft and epic.

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Kimitri 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Our family has struggled with Screen Time a lot. I have come to the conclusion that it's actually beneficial for Apple to keep Screen Time as crappy as it is. That allows kids to use their iPhones more. That's good viral marketing in a very lucrative demographic and it drives up AppStore sales, micro transactions and engagement rate.

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nik282000 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I've used 3 Apple products for more than chance interactions. A MacSE for 5 years in school, a 2015 Mac desktop for 6 months in a printshop, and an iPad for the past 2 years at work.

The SE and desktop felt like modern machines, clicks and key presses had predictable results, applications did what you told them too. On par with the Win95 and Win 7/8 I was used to at the time.

Jesus Christ, that iPad on the other hand, feels like janky Windows Vista tech rammed together by an intern. Weird UI artifacts, making the same gesture can have unpredictable results, the only function that everyone in the shop found without failure was 'undo' because it is triggered by violent shaking.

Even simple tasks like sharing a photo saved from a website is bizarrely broken. Depending on whether you saved it as a file or 'to your photos' dictates which applications can then open/share the image. And I know Android is full of it's own foibles but they took a few months to internalize. I'm going on 2 years of 'features' breaking workflow, and pixel perfect taps to activate input elements that are 5% of the screen width.

/rant

	▲	iSnow 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Maybe you are right, but Apple is selling hundreds of millions of iPads per year, so just maybe most people are content with the hard- and software and will just adapt to some quirks. I am personally not always happy with the gestures, but some can be disabled. I don't have much use for my iPad apart from watching some videos, for everything that requires concentration, I will fallback to my laptop. I still think it is a marvelous machine how the hardware and iPadOS play together.

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gigatexal 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Apple has so much money that they can actually afford to be world class in both > This is what gets me. Think about only bugs, not a single wishlist feature, just bugs. Limit to obvious-to-normies defects: so, UI bugs (ultra-low contrast oddity with certain backgrounds while scrolling lock screen notification center) or popular-feature bugs (AirDrop demands “everyone“ to receive from people in contacts, apparently in at least a couple cases).

I’m hopeful Ternus can turn this around. They can be top notch in both being all vertically integrated and demanding the best in both. Let’s see.

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jimbokun 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And now they only need to take their backlog tickets and throw tokens at them.

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Ouman 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And the worst part is how you eventually just get used to these things