| ▲ | Laptop Based on 6502 CPU(maddox.pro) |
| 69 points by nanochess 3 days ago | 27 comments |
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| ▲ | flopsamjetsam 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| https://codeberg.org/TechPaula/LT6502b Specs: * 65C02 running at 10MHz * 46KByte of user RAM * EhBASIC 22p2 with custom extensions * eWOZMON * Compact Flash for storage * Built in battery (7400mAh currently) * USB-PD Rechargable * 10.1" Screen with 1024x600 and 256 colours * WiFi Modem (based on this - https://github.com/dhansel/WifiModem) * nanoSwinSID for sound (as well as beeps) |
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| ▲ | donpdonp 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Very interesting project. It'd be nice to see video of it in action and what use cases the author had in mind. A pic in a different post shows the 48k ram chip, and not far away is an SD card of 1 gigabyte - that's a dramatic contrast. The storage can hold the contents of ram 21,845 times over. If an 8GB laptop today had the equivalent storage, it would be a disk of 174TB. Browsing by tag 'lt6502b' gives other posts that have pictures of the motherboard. https://www.maddox.pro/?cat=65 (update: the codeberg link has all the relevant pics) |
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| ▲ | Rohansi 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The 6502 can't actually address more than that. The flash controller built into modern SD cards are also going to be significantly more powerful than the 6502. And I'm surprised you can even buy SD cards that small still! | | |
| ▲ | skissane 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | > The 6502 can't actually address more than that. Unless you use bank switching, which historically a lot of 6502 machines did use (e.g. Apple III/IIe/IIc, BBC Master 128, Commodore 128, Commodore CBM-II, etc) |
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| ▲ | doubled112 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That's a CompactFlash card. You often see them used in places where an IDE drive would have been. |
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| ▲ | weinzierl 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Well, there was the Commodore SX 64. Not exactly lap sized but portable for sure. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_SX-64 |
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| ▲ | WillAdams 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Not much later there was the Radio Shack Model 100, and a bit after that the Gateway portables, and of course, eventually the NEC Ultralite and eventually the Sharp PC-6220 (which was available under two other brands as well). Also, for those with deep pockets there were the GRiD laptops.... | | | |
| ▲ | kstrauser 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It weighed 23 pounds. It was approximately as portable as a tower PC. You could schlep one around, but it'd get heavy after a while. | | |
| ▲ | classichasclass 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Beat the heck out of dragging a 1702, a 1541 and a C64 around, though. I have three and they made regular trips to vintage fests because they were easy to set up. They can easily be connected to more drives or a bigger screen. Their only major drawback, and this is a big one, is that you can fry the SID if you plug in the external monitor with the power on. I did that once to my horror, and so have others. |
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| ▲ | Neywiny 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| What an interesting layout for a mobile site. It had the archive and a bunch of other stuff before the post. I thought OP linked something wrong. |
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| ▲ | discardable_dan 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This is a cool project. The AI banner looks awful. |
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| ▲ | burner420042 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| "Getting it to at least run BASIC" is a common theme with DIY enthusiasts. Why is that? |
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| ▲ | yjftsjthsd-h 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's traditional:) The original machines with simpler hardware largely converged to BASIC, so it's a nice benchmark for "is this a Real Computer™" | | |
| ▲ | reaperducer 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Hardware didn't really play a factor. Every machine ran BASIC. If your machine didn't, it was weird. For a while it seemed like BASIC was going to become the universal computer language. IBM even produced a computer that had both AP/L and BASIC built-in. |
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| ▲ | pigeons 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | A lot of machines based on this CPU booted a ROM that ran a BASIC. It seems more of a challenge than running a Forth. |
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| ▲ | debo_ 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| When I saw the domain name, I thought this might be: https://basharchive.org/#s/Maddox |
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| ▲ | system7rocks 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Here is what I get confused about... Surely a laptop prototype based on such a tested and well-worn CPU with 48K of RAM would be cool, but shouldn't it sip power? Like shouldn't it last for like months on a charge? Or am I revealing my very meager and outdated understanding of engineering with only a bachelor in computer science from like 2004? |
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| ▲ | generuso 25 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | There used to be small IBM PC compatible "palmtop" computers capable of running for many days on a pair of AA batteries. HP 200LX was pretty cool. I think it had 80C186 running at 10 MHz or thereabouts, with 1MB of RAM, monochrome graphic LCD and PCMCIA cards for storage. Norton Commander and Turbo C run on it without any problems. | |
| ▲ | Dwedit 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's gotta be integrated together (and possibly be at a smaller process size) before you get all the power savings. If you have a real 6502, it has no internal RAM or cache, and you need to send power back and forth to the RAM chips. (I presume it's SRAM, but it could also be PSRAM) If you ran a 6502 emulator on a cheap ARM SOC, it would be much lower power. | |
| ▲ | oofbaroomf 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The display also takes power, quite a lot actually - 2-5W |
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| ▲ | user3939382 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| A 6502 is capable of most actual workloads people have, whose profiles actually haven’t changed much. Almost all of our compute goes to GUI and rendering stacks that decorate our actual work. |
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| ▲ | whartung 25 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | The superpower of the PC over the previous generation was an order of magnitude more memory. The machine itself was not necessarily faster, but the extra memory was a real game changer. Even segmented like on the 8086 was a better solution than the banking options on 8 bit hardware. The ‘86 segment registers were much more flexible. Long term, 640k may not have been enough, but in a text based environment, 640k is just so much more from both a data and code aspect to be really empowering. 256k and Lotus 1-2-3 was much more capable than anything an Apple could do. Having much more room for more capable code aspect as well as richer and more data. You could do gymnastics with code overlays and data paging, but that was hard software to write and just painfully slow. Extra memory just made things that much better. | |
| ▲ | yjftsjthsd-h 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I favor simpler machines, but that seems a bit of a stretch. Most people would like to communicate over the internet without every intermediate hop seeing their traffic (so, their emails, their chats, their credit card number, ...), therefore they want TLS which I don't think is practical on a 6502? To say nothing of watching videos and listening to music. | | |
| ▲ | stevekemp 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'd compare to a z80 with 64k of memory, which would be enough to run CP/M. That wouldn't allow TLS, or music playback, but it would allow wordperfect, turbo pascal, a bunch of old C-compilers, and a spreadsheet or two. I don't think anybody would use such a machine full-time, but with a radio and a cabin it would suffice for offline work. Of course there's no native CP/M for the 6502, but remakes have been made.. |
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| ▲ | lukan 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Those people you speak of, how big are their numbers all in all you think? And is that a subgroup of a subgroup? Because most people I know certainly have different workloads and need their rendering as part of the work, not to decorate it nicely. But for keeping a distraction free digital diary, it might be a nice device. | |
| ▲ | Grombobulous 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Zoom calls? Maybe Bullshit Jobs was onto something, it seems that my entire work day consists of work decoration. |
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