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▲ true_religion 17 hours ago

I think you are torturing the analogy.

A moat isn’t a perfect defense. It’s a delay tactic that keeps the enemy from coming right up to your wall and climbing it or breaking it down. While you defend your moat, you whittle down the attackers so even when they do cross it they can be more easily defeated.

Moats and high walls became obsolete when canon fire became common.

Claude isn’t just a faster way to cross the moat, it’s gunpowder, and with it the rules have fundamentally changed.

Firmware security is useless if your product can be bought tested and reverse engineered through multiple trials. So long as you have something that can be understood and used by humans, you have something that can be reverse engineered.

Having the code accessible makes it easier, but just having both input and output is sufficient.

▲oblio 16 hours ago | parent [-]

> Moats and high walls became obsolete when canon fire became common.

Moats and high walls, sure. But to this day, the absolute best way to stop any attacker is to dig a trench (most minus water) and to build low parapets, primarily of dirt, sand, barbed wire and ideally some anti tank stuff.

The moat never really went away.

▲AnthonyMouse 15 hours ago | parent | next [-]

How does your moat do against a B-52?

▲oblio 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

A lot better than expected, as Vietnam proved.

▲iugtmkbdfil834 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You may be missing the point, unsure if purposefully or not, but you can't just rent B-52 for $250 a month.

▲thiisguy 11 hours ago | parent [-]

The B-52 analogy seems pretty spot on where the (relatively) sudden capabilities of Claude are similar to now having a B-52 where you can just fly around and find silly little moat/wall defenses and easily destroy them with your one-shot bomb-release button.

▲oblio 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Amusingly, if you know about the history of B-52, it's a bad analogy. B-52s biggest war was lost.

▲NooneAtAll3 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

trenches aren't stopping the attackers, only protecting the defenders. You "men" the trenches to make them effective