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eli 2 hours ago

Neither the person you’re replying to nor the blog post call it open source

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input_sh 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

But it compares itself to Qwen (Apache 2), GLM (MIT), Beam (Apache 2), Inklink (Apache 2)...

Although to be fair, Kimi contains an identical carve out.

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isityettime 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Open-weights means weights are released under an open-source license.

I would, contra the OSI, not consider the model to be open-source even if the weights were under an open-source license. But that is the minimum condition under which it could be considered open-weight.

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SahAssar 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> Open-weights means weights are released under an open-source license.

According to who? From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_weights:

> Publishing these values allows others to download and use the model, while permission to modify, fine-tune or redistribute it depends on its license.

Those restrictions are definitely not compatible with the definition of open-source/FOSS. I think you have a much stricter view of what open-weights means than the industry.

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isityettime 2 hours ago | parent [-]

"Open weights" is a correction that arose out of calling models whose weights were released under open-source licenses "open-source" before the OSI sold out. These companies trying to dilute the polite correction just like they tried to dilute "open-source" only reinforces my point.

There was an attempt to create an analogue of the OSI's Open-Source Definition that acknowledged the problems of merely releasing weights as "open-source". That project seems to have largely failed or fizzled, and "open weight" has come to be used mostly as a way of acknowledging that only the weights have been released under open-source terms.

This model of Meta's fails even that dramatically weakened standard.

This is just a series of dilutions by which giant corporations are trying (and apparently succeeding here on "hacker" news) to trade on the cachet of commitments they don't actually hold.

	▲	SahAssar an hour ago \| parent [-]
		I mostly agree, but again, You said "Open-weights means weights are released under an open-source license" and I asked "According to who?" "Open weights" is for the most part a term that is meaningless besides being technically able to run it on your own hardware. I don't think we have a proper term for what you are reaching for, and proper open-source models (training, training-data, etc. being fully open) are scarce.