| ▲ | dyauspitr a day ago |
| That’s what standing on the shoulders of giants refers to. This is how science has always worked. The generated papers have attributions and citations just like if a human wrote them. |
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| ▲ | BobaFloutist a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| >That’s what standing on the shoulders of giants refers to. This is how science has always worked. Yes, but automating and commercializing a process makes it inherently different. Just because everyone has always been welcome to drink from the village well, that countless generations have worked tirelessly to dig, maintain, and improve, doesn't mean that there's no basis for complaint when Nestle sticks a pump down it and starts draining the aquifer to bottle and sell. The lack of an existing law (or custom) against new behavior doesn't actually render it necessarily non-grotesque. |
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| ▲ | coder-3 a day ago | parent | next [-] | | But Nestle’s pump not only doesn’t deplete the well, it’s adding to it! | | |
| ▲ | BobaFloutist a day ago | parent | next [-] | | No, it's able to reach deeper and pump more out than ever before, democratizing access to the water from the well, at the minor cost of the people of the village no longer having a well. But they're welcome to buy plastic bottles of their own water along with everyone else. | | |
| ▲ | panta a day ago | parent [-] | | That they can afford only while the cost is subsidized. Then the well-in-a-bottle bubble will explode because everyone will realize that the business has never been sustainable, nobody really believed in it after all. But the well now has been damaged beyond repair. |
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| ▲ | TJSomething a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Is this actually how water pumping works, or are we extending the metaphor to imply that the AI is creating knowledge? Because I would dispute the latter if the effect is that the number of people with a deep understanding of a subject declines. |
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| ▲ | dyauspitr a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | This analogy doesn’t work. A more apt analogy is Nestle putting a pump down in the well and sucking out industrial quantities of water but simultaneously digging more wells as well. The “more wells” is more avenues for further research building on what it has proved/found. | | |
| ▲ | shank-false-rin a day ago | parent [-] | | Going with the same analogy, sucking out industrial quantities of water causes existing wells to dry up because they are not deep enough. Then Nestle starts selling water to the village who now can't get water. Nestle can pump out infinite amount of water from their many wells, much more than before, which is great, but Nestle also become the sole water supply and unregulated. Obviously, people cannot go without water, so they are at the whims of Nestle. Now, is this a good thing? | | |
| ▲ | vdietrich 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's always good to remind that local democracy only is not enough - for instabce, locals voting if they accept, or not, a company on his neighbor, like in US they do for a new Walmart, if I know correct (correct me if I am wrong). This is NOT enough: US in the 20's learned that monopolies need to be forbidden, obligating a big company, even by hardwork and being genuinely better than others, to sell more than 1/3rd of the market share to its competitors, something like that. This is brilliant solution to be with the local voting in everything, mainly in taxes (no taxation without representation). This is US (and Switzerland) strong force, I envy that from Brazil. This monopoly-breaking does not occur to big techs - maybe for fear of China, I don't know -, and maybe this is a root cause for data center giants to be able to do so many unsettling things - I am guessing a lot now, hard to think about. Would we have the giant data centers used to make LLMs work so well - Amazon's, Google', Microsoft's, Meta's - if US had focused on not allowing this companies to buy everyone around and grow more than 33% of their markets? Hard question. This may be a thought on localized economies versus centralized/globalized economies. Ok, forget about: talking about monopolies and/or local voting does not suit this topic well. |
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| ▲ | badc0ffee a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The giants are quite often credited by name, or have their work cited. |
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| ▲ | Gud a day ago | parent [-] | | Or are revered teachers that you'll never forget. |
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| ▲ | rylando a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Pretty sure AI is more akin to standing on the shoulders of giants and peeing into the wind |
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| ▲ | zilfedie a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Take a philosophy class or read more books. Your response is devoid of humanity and philosophical introspection. |
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| ▲ | JumpCrisscross a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > That’s what standing on the shoulders of giants refers to. This is how science has always worked OpenAI's Navier-Stokes finding is closer to Crick and Watson in respect of Franklin's research than conventional science. |