| ▲ | schrototo 6 hours ago |
| But it's not like those guys will just pocket that money. They will use it like all academic grant money is used: to hire PhD students and postdocs. |
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| ▲ | Avicebron 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > The foundation will manage and award the funding, including through an open call for proposals, to support workshops and initiatives that help researchers evaluate recent AI-assisted results, learn and use new tools, share perspectives and shape collective standards for AI use. A non-zero amount of it is probably going directly to the AI companies through tokens... |
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| ▲ | curt15 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Why not use some of the money to develop open-weight, open-training-pipeline, fully introspectable and hackable LLM-based theorem proving assistants? Make them a commodity in every mathematician's office like other computational tools. Such a project would itself yield research topics. | |
| ▲ | iamacyborg 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > A non-zero amount of it is probably going directly to the AI companies through tokens... Much the same way that VC money has been funnelled to Google and Meta through advertising budgets. | |
| ▲ | immmmmm 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Isn’t the very pitch ai bros have to their investors: “we’ll replace ppl by tokens.” If it doesn’t pay for non-permanent staff salary that would be sad for the maths ppl indeed. OTOH I have a phd in th physics, 15+ y of academic senior researcher experience, now working 60+ h /w on an unpaid internship and using lunch money to pay for tokens. And I’m by far not most unlucky Edit: just to put things in perspective, my phd field (string theory) has 15-30M€ annual funding in Europe (per google) | |
| ▲ | Loquebantur 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | While the contributing AI companies certainly have a lingering conflict of interest, the relevant point is the effort find a constructive way to live with the reality of AI? Mathematicians are in the same boat as Silicon Valley programmers in the end: AI is doing their job better than them and cheaper. Other professions will join shortly. The question then becomes, what do humans do? Resigning to die quietly is hardly the most favorable option? Just because somebody else can do something better than you ever could doesn't make doing it superfluous. There is more to mathematics and software engineering than finding proofs and algorithms. | | |
| ▲ | wwweston 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | "Better than them" is just barely in the realm where it's not incredible to discuss, and still quite debatable. Cheaper than them? That's dramatically unproven and unlikely just on power efficiency alone, even if we accept the suspect assumption the only efficiency anyone should care about is currency marked per line of code or theorem proved. We're not just going to have to become better existential philosophers, we're going to have to become better examiners of assumptions and claims. | |
| ▲ | neutronicus 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Make protecting the data centers expensive enough that it isn't cheaper? |
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| ▲ | Take8435 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This is legit akin to "trickle down" which never works because people are selfish. |
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| ▲ | NoahZuniga 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Terrence Tao can't decide to keep the money and pay himself more or something though. He _has_ to spend it | | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | He doesn’t have to spend it on PhD students. | |
| ▲ | jacquesm 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | He's collaborating with AI now, not so much with people. At least, that's the impression I'm getting from his recent writing. | | |
| ▲ | qbit42 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | In his recent interviews, he says he has very little time to do math these days outside of research meetings with his PhD students and postdocs. | |
| ▲ | CamperBob2 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Wasn't it Tao who suggested, fairly early on, that the best way for a researcher to contribute to mathematics may be to drop everything else he or she is working on and study AI instead? Pretty sure it was Tao but I could be wrong. In any case it now seems more defensible than it did when the idea was first broached. |
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| ▲ | xg15 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The joys of trickle-down economy... |
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| ▲ | caaqil 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > to hire PhD students and postdocs Why? I thought we already established* that most professional mathematicians are not necessary (in the near future, then maybe "any"), so why would they doom these students with pity grants to basically create unnecessary jobs for them? More practically, wouldn't that money be best served (i.e., raw ROI) by purchasing more tokens on the frontier models? (*) The existence of this effort itself is a good heuristic. |
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| ▲ | socializer an hour ago | parent [-] | | Do you consider yourself to be necessary? Like, for mankind? Probably not: you're just one of eight billion nearly-identical people, and if you vanish off the surface of the planet, the economic loss will be basically zero. Heck, if you're of retirement age, you're probably a net burden for the society. But that doesn't sound like a good argument to ride off into the sunset, right? You probably enjoy living and it does make a difference in the lives of some close friends and relatives? We don't organize societies around ruthless efficiency optimization, we organize them to be at least somewhat hospitable to humans and human enterprise. |
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| ▲ | CrimsonRain 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Ha ha ha |
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| ▲ | alp1-qw3 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| And blog in favor of AI ... |
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| ▲ | cyanydeez 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| in the age of AI? are you _....sure_ |