> Ubuntu still does that.

Debatable.

    - Snaps.
    - Replacing something battle-tested with something written in Rust, MIT licensed, with 140 CVEs and other bugs (uutils).
    - Pulling rugs and replacing debs with snapswithout telling it, because "it creates positive pressur e on the snap team and drives the quality higher".
    - Staggered rollout of some updates, so update is there but you can't update because the your system didn't feel like updating yet.
    - Promising to open source Snap store to allow alternative stores and forgetting what they had said.
    - Bullying Debian to push their changes to Debian to offload software maintenance (they wanted to make netplan the default in Debian, for example).

... etc, etc.

Note: You can disagree with this, and we can discuss this with cool heads, if you prefer.

▲ Aperocky an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I see your point is basically snap bad.

And as a software maintainer who publish to all distributions, I wholeheartedly agree.

	▲	bayindirh an hour ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Nope, snap is bad, but how they modify apt to slow-rollout updates and bully Debian to offload things are equally bad. They became the Microsoft of the Linux world while trying to replace it. They are moving with self-interest, not with a collective interest. Considering what Ubuntu means, that's bitterly ironic as well. Shame.
	▲	rhdunn 19 minutes ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Some of the things that annoy me re: snaps are: 1. the update process is separate from the main system update -- "close this program to update, or will forceably update in X days" notifications; 2. breaking desktop file links where an update can create a duplicate file and after the old snap is removed it removes your pins to the taskbar; 3. possibly breaking other things due to the way the snap directory for the app is not stable.

▲ _joel an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Snaps did it for me, that's when I moved away to plain Debian.

	▲	bayindirh an hour ago \| parent [-]
		I never used Ubuntu outside VMs to test Ubuntu-specific stuff. I used to have a colleague who installed Ubuntu as defacto server OS, but I replaced them with Debian step by step.

▲ queenkjuul 24 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I can't understand the snap hate personally. Snap packages are very easy to create and i like being able to install e.g. a language toolchain in a self contained way that doesn't depend on or pollute my system libraries. And ultimately i use a distro because i trust its maintainers, i can't bring myself to get upset about what package format they choose to use