| ▲ | raverbashing a day ago |
| Cool, that's why open source projects get left behind. The attitude |
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| ▲ | creata a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| I think it's better that some people have strong opinions. For example, the world would suck if everyone was rms, but he has nevertheless had a positive impact on the world imo. |
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| ▲ | orbital-decay a day ago | parent [-] | | RMS is extremely radical but he's also reasonable and consistent unlike these guys. There's also GNU Guix which recently banned AI-assisted contributions [1] due to copyright infringement concerns and licensing doubts. This is an entirely reasonable take for a hardcore free software codebase, it's literally built around this political concept. On the contrast, libreboot's stuff reads like a parody or a shitpost. It's hard to believe they're being entirely serious. [1] https://codeberg.org/guix/guix/pulls/11407 | | |
| ▲ | Gigachad 21 hours ago | parent [-] | | The libreboot maintainer has always seemed irrational, but then again, a rational person would have just left their proprietary bios alone and we would never get projects like this. |
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| ▲ | afavour a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Someone can always fork it if they find themselves sufficiently outraged. |
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| ▲ | gorkish a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Agree in general, though with Libreboot the pedantry is more or less the point of the project. You fork a project and put 'libre' in the name, I personally see that as a statement of dedication and expect you to stick to those guns. The experiment isnt much of an experiment otherwise. Coreboot still exists. |
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| ▲ | ur-whale a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Cool, that's why open source projects get left behind. The attitude They're making a political choice. It's a free country, and more power to them. It's not a choice that I necessarily agree with, but one that may - who knows - prove prescient 5 years down the road. No one can predict the future, that's what politics are partly about and the reason why diversity of opinion of choice matters. Do you have a crystal ball? |
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| ▲ | leahlibre a day ago | parent | next [-] | | i don't live in a free country. the UK has enacted several laws impeding fundamental civil liberties in recent years. rolling back on several human rights laws, now they're even removing the right to trial by jury, etc. it's quite troubling actually. | |
| ▲ | IslandRebel a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I'd rather have the project that works, rather than one that has the correct political stance. You can look at what being achieved right now with AI, GoW3 (an absolute master piece BTW) on the PS4 Remaster can be played on Linux at 120FPS thanks to some decompilation/reverse engineering framework with AI. I am generally also fed up of politics (whatever they are) forced into projects. Also AI doesn't make you stupid. It is bullshit, he has cherry picked information to sooth his own biases. | | |
| ▲ | bigstrat2003 a day ago | parent | next [-] | | > I'd rather have the project that works Then more often than not, you want the project that eschews LLMs. They can't program worth a damn. | | |
| ▲ | IslandRebel a day ago | parent [-] | | I find that they program very well. It is bizarre having conversations with some people. There is a reverse engineering framework that had God of War 3 remaster running natively on Linux at 120 fps and all this tech is AI-assisted. A friend of mine was demonstrating it running to me last night, and then people like yourself tell me AI can't do anything when you can download and run it yourself. I just had it write a bunch of script hooks for gamemoderun and at work I had it do probably a week's worth of work in an afternoon earlier today. It also smoke-tested everything for me. It is utterly bizarre, and I think you are just denying reality. |
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| ▲ | ur-whale a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | > I'd rather have the project that works, You didn't get my point. It might very well be that the only project that lets you actually freely boot a computer in 5 years will be this one, specifically because they did not let an AI touch it. In that regard, it will be the only project, like you put it, "that works". Like I said, I don't necessary subscribe to their view, but the diversity of opinion matters, it helps with minor things like, oh, survival. | | |
| ▲ | IslandRebel a day ago | parent [-] | | What you are saying is utter nonsense. I really don't know where to start. Why would AI matter? If you say legality, I really don't care that much about copyright law (I run a torrent box 24/7), and I would just git clone the repo and put it on tor. That is what people have been doing with plenty of projects that are more legally dubious. Also, diversity of opinion doesn't necessarily help with survival either. I swear people just say things because other people have said it. |
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| ▲ | Cakez0r a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | But they're doing it under the banner of the libre software movement, whose raison d'être is free (as in liberty) software. Having political strings attached is antithetical to the movement. | | |
| ▲ | afavour a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Libre software is a political movement. And it makes sense for libre contributors to be highly skeptical of a tool that may or may not violate copyright, profits from the work of other libre codebases and is controlled by tech giants. | | |
| ▲ | mindslight a day ago | parent [-] | | I think there is a deeper point regarding software freedom specifically - if a person is unable to understand the source code of something, then they are less able to modify it. It's why the definition of libre software centers around source code, even though modifying binaries is entirely possible. Despite being able to have a libre vs non-libre disassembler (analogous to proprietary vs open weight AI models), needing to use a tool at all diminishes your own ability to make changes to the code. Now having said that, AI also increases software freedom in that it enables many people who aren't otherwise able to understand codebases (or even write simple code) to create/modify their own software. When we're talking about AI in the context of libre software, this is the constructive aspect we should be focusing on! Well defined plugin APIs that we know people are going to lay slop upon, etc. But still, this doesn't have much bearing on a well-established fundamental systems project that needs to remain generally concise and human-understandable. |
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| ▲ | lioeters a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The lack of political literacy and self-awareness in this thread is embarrassing. | |
| ▲ | ur-whale a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Having political strings attached is antithetical to the movement. I believe you may have a rather narrow notion of what politics are. In my book, politics is the art of making choices when your ability to predict the future is limited, and therefore the willingness, courage and fortitude to make choices under uncertainty. Under that definition, they're making a choice, one that materially and obviously can't be backed by sound reasoning or logic (because predicting the future is hard), that's politics. |
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| ▲ | lawtalkinghuman 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| When the alternative is being surrounded by rabid AI enthusiasts who absolutely lose their shit whenever anyone says "no" to them, being left behind is a great choice. |
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| ▲ | jamesnorden a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Well, maybe you can bring it into the future with your favorite LLM! |
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| ▲ | bigfishrunning a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| And yet people who are training models need more and more open source software to feed the beast. Quite the conundrum. |
