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▲ loftyal 8 hours ago

Have you actually done a proper bulk/cut cycle? Gaining fat is normal when bulking, then you cut (lose the fat while maintaining the muscle).

▲the__alchemist 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Valid - no, and I should probably do that. You're right that it's worth trying, and I haven't done it. The short-term skinny fat / gut+love handles is obviously a non-factor if part of a bulk where I could remove it later.