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▲ roncesvalles 9 hours ago

I'm worried that although you might build up a big group of acquaintances that you hang out with on a regular basis this way, none of those would quite fit the definition of "friends".

A friend to me is someone with whom you can drop the mask of social propriety near-completely - share unpopular opinions, make racist jokes (directed at them or others), talk about the opposite sex (assuming hetero), gossip about other people, talk about your own relationships, give honest feedback, do borderline illegal stuff like smoke weed etc. Because this is what intimacy means.

If I meet my friend after a bad haircut and he doesn't immediately go "what the fuck is wrong with your hair?", he's not a true friend, just someone I hang out with.

I think most people stop having friendships like this after grade school or university. I suspect some people have never had a friendship like this.

▲phatskat 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think the cool thing about this, especially as an older person (40's), is that it creates a low-stress, high-interactivity scenario. So while some of the people may just be acquaintances that come to one or two potlucks, some will inevitably click and become more than just once a month dinner guests.

Forming friendships after schooling isn't hard, but it takes work. That said, I've had a good number of small social interactions that usually don't even lead to an acquaintance over the last decade, and even those feel good just to get out of my shell. Then there's the people I'd recognize if I saw them again and maybe remember their names. And a small but close group of about 12 and counting have become incredibly close friends that have recently begun mingling with my prior set of really close friends (different states, so we have a couple yearly gatherings).

▲roncesvalles 6 hours ago | parent [-]

But that interactivity is pretty hollow. I'm sure it cures the itch but it's not the same as having a friend.

▲phatskat 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

How do you know that it's hollow?

Beyond that, the second half of my first paragraph was about how some of those people probably become more than just acquaintances.

▲Larrikin 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think you don't realize how hollow the initial interactions were with the people you consider friends now. You have to start somewhere. It's just when you are younger you do not have a baseline of what a really good friend is.

▲weatherlite 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I hear you but maybe not everyone wants this. It sounds great but it's also high investment/high effort and sometimes hurts and disappoints. I think some people are fine with having shallower relationships than that.

▲Mashimo 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> , none of those would quite fit the definition of "friends".

Why can't the big group of acquaintances not lead to real friendship?

I would haver guesst that's the way you find friends. Stranger -> acquaintances -> friends -> close friends?

▲roncesvalles 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Often it stops there, that's what I mean. A big group of people to hang out with could give you the illusion of having friends when it's not really friendship, because it lacks the deep intimacy that comes with a good friendship.

There are more people LARPing as friends than are actually friends these days. Then I can see why many people reject "friendships" completely. Just dressing up and doing stuff with a few people is tedious unless it's mainly just about the thing you're doing (such as sports).

▲Mashimo 5 hours ago | parent [-]

But how would you get ~real~ friends if not through casual meetups first?

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▲roncesvalles 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I mean sure, you could use casual meetups to meet new people, but friendship really develops and exists in a 1:1 context. I re-read the root comment and it seems like the person has the right approach initially - meet at a meetup, invite for 1:1 coffee afterward.

But then he invites them to his potluck and I think the friendship dies there. That potluck is like a graveyard of all his potential friendships. It just becomes a "hangout group" i.e. fake friends. Also, every other month is too infrequent.

Personally I think the best way to make friends is at places where you might meet them in a context that gives you sufficient and regular 1:1 time. This is almost always school or work.

▲watwut 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

To me, being close with someone does not involve being insulted, insulting them or making racist jokes. I also dont particularly care about other peoples haircuts, one way or the other. I do have friends I spend 1 on 1 with who I am completely open with.

> I think most people stop having friendships like this after grade school or university.

When I was younger, I was never open with people who would be insulting to me or found it important to make racist jokes. I would simply not tell them what I think to avoid conflict or insult. They were assymetrically open, I was not.

But I genuinely did not cared about their haircuts either.

▲kingkawn 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Maybe you don’t have friends because you’re a racist in your heart of hearts?

▲roncesvalles 7 hours ago | parent [-]

I have plenty of legit friends who enjoy my racist humor, tyvm. Most of us are people of color btw.

▲Larrikin an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Only other racist enjoy racist humor. Claiming you aren't white doesn't suddenly make racism ok.

▲watwut 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

One comment up, you had no real friends. Now, there are plenty of them.

▲cindyllm 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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