I had to quite literally sit in a doctor's office and make a public nuisance of myself to get a referral for a family member to a specialist for cancer when the regular doctor said it was just back pain. Then I drove the 2 hours to their office to get the appointment. It was lymphoma.

People can't ignore you as effectively if you're in their physical space. When it comes to your health or the health of your family, do not back down. Doctors are used to nuts who googled the symptoms or joined a Facebook group and have all the answers already. Make it clear you have NO answers but NEED them asap.

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helterskelter2 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I've had similar experiences. It's kind of terrifying, actually, you have to walk the line of being annoying enough to get what you want but not so annoying they completely ignore you.

One of the things I've learned is to apply the Socratic method, preferably in front of their colleagues if they try to brush you off. Also, if you've got scary symptoms, demand they write down what your symptoms are on your record and why they aren't concerned, then demand a copy of all relevant records (it's your property) -- this often gets them to reevaluate your risk in terms of their career.

Worst case scenario, you can make up medical history. I had a family member pass recently from colorectal cancer. They had symptoms but their PCP kept insisting they were too young. My family member suddenly "remembered" her aunt died of CRC when she was a kid. This got her referred to a gastroenterologist, and they found out she was stage 4...after her PCP delayed her diagnosis for like a year. She actually had grounds for a malpractice suit but who's got the energy or money for that when they're fighting stage 4 cancer?

Also, know your state's agency responsible for policing health insurance. This family member's insurance company routinely tried to deny life saving procedures, but a call to the right govt agency set them in line each time.

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xtracto 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is something I don't understand of the US and other "developed" countries health systems.

Here in Mexico, i can get to doctoralia and make an appointment with a high specialist , like a Vascular Neurosurgeon. All by myself. The first visit will to maybe $200 usd (and that's very high) and normally it's a week away at most. No waiting on the private health option.

Of course if you go with public health, it's a disaster and a shame.

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rootusrootus an hour ago | parent | next [-]

For most things, I can do the same in the US. It has a lot to do with your insurance provider. E.g. UnitedHealth is pretty well known for requiring pre-authorization for every little thing. But BCBS, which is who I have had most of my adult life, is far more relaxed about it.

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madrox 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What other countries describe is the equivalent of your public health system. If you're willing to pay out of pocket, like you describe, you can have a similar experience in the US. However, that can get expensive quickly since you normally don't have just one appointment with a vascular neurosurgeon.

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prmph an hour ago | parent [-]

But the thing is that paying out of pocket would be very expensive in the "developed" countries.

The advantage of the less developed countries is that you can get pretty good private medical care for a reasonably price. The quality may not match the very best care available in the rich countries, but in many cases, it is adequate.

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teiferer an hour ago | parent [-]

> The advantage of the less developed countries is that you can get pretty good private medical care for a reasonably price.

What is a "reasonable price"? Relative to a rich country, the price may be low. But relative to the average income to common folks in that country it is likely just as expensive as a comparable private option is in a rich country. Apples vs. oranges.

Iow, you are describing the perspective of a rich person in a poor country. I don't think a rich person in the U.S. (top 0.1 percentile, let's say) minds the health case costs in the U.S. either.

	▲	prmph 34 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		The average white collar or knowledge worker in my 3rd world country can usually pay for mid-tier private medical care, including specialists, without any problem. Of course the top tier private hospital and specialists can be pretty expensive, but is not that expensive to avoid the public/government health system.

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teiferer an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

All the best for your family member!

> Doctors are used to nuts who googled the symptoms

When you were there, did you have anything else to come with than the symptoms of your family member? In other words, how did you look different to the doctor than somebody who just googled their symptoms? (Or, to put it differently, without meaning disrespect, in which way were actually different from cases you referred to in the above quote?)