That is for them to decide. You may choose to use different methods. I don't think you are entitled to decide what brings joy to others.

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hollowturtle a day ago | parent [-]

No i'm not entitled, but there are facts based on reality: prompting isn't creating, it's a slot(or slop) machine

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iamjackg a day ago | parent | next [-]

You still don't get to decide what "the real joy" is in absolute terms.

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hollowturtle a day ago | parent [-]

What are you the lawyer of the prev poster? Anyway I can rule out what it isn't, you're not creating anything what it isn't then? how can it be joy?

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articulatepang a day ago | parent | next [-]

Have you ever felt joy watching a sunset? Smelling a flower? Hearing a song? Seeing a child laugh? Did you create any of those things?

You may or may not be right about whether prompting is creation, but it is certainly possible to feel joy without any act of creation being involved. So you need a different argument if you’d like to prove that “making Commodore games using prompting cannot lead to joy.”

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hollowturtle a day ago | parent [-]

> Have you ever felt joy watching a sunset? Smelling a flower? Hearing a song? Seeing a child laugh? Did you create any of those things?

yes and has nothing to do with prompting congratulations

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halfadot a day ago | parent | next [-]

The question was clearly about whether or not you felt joy from something that you didn't take part in creating. The fact that you're now playing dumb and obsessively returning to the topic of prompting shows you don't have a good counterargument.

I'll remind you again: it's none of your business what gives people joy.

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articulatepang a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Just to be explicit, and correct me if I’m wrong in my understanding, but your argument was:

1. Prompting is not creation.

2. Therefore prompting cannot lead to joy.

For this argument to work, you’re implicitly also claiming that

1.5 Only activities that involve creation can lead to joy.

My counterexamples (if you agree with them, but you say you do) show that this latter statement is not true.

So if you’d like to show that “prompting cannot lead to joy”, you need to fix up your proof. I’m not claiming that you’re wrong! But the reasoning gave cannot possibly be correct.

	▲	hollowturtle 20 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Ok let's try to argue you said > Have you ever felt joy watching a sunset? Smelling a flower? Hearing a song? Seeing a child laugh? Did you create any of those things? What has to do with prompting? you don't prompt for experiences like that, we are lucky that we live in a world full of authentic unexpected experiences. WTH has to do with prompting. > 1.5 Only activities that involve creation can lead to joy. Exactly, joy and meaning, like basically ALL psychiatrist and what not they're telling us since the start of the 21st century. If you happen to like something that got out of a prompt, then imo you're a mediocre who doesn't know better, the same that listen to shit music, movies, games and what not. The same miserable mediocre that doom scrolls social, ingest fake news, propaganda and ai slop and doesn't know better. I'm not saying mediocre as derogatory term to the person it's just what it is.

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jcelerier a day ago | parent | prev [-]

how do you feel about people that love going to pachinko

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hollowturtle 20 hours ago | parent [-]

very badly

	▲	jcelerier 12 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Who are you to judge other people's ways of enjoying their life?

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holoduke a day ago | parent | prev [-]

In the end you are moving a bunch of electrons. With or without AI. You are just annoyed by AI. But creativity has nothing to do with AI or no AI.

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hollowturtle a day ago | parent [-]

AI is a shortcut to creativity and a accellerator to lazyness. This is very well know by now, I'm not saying something crazy

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halfadot a day ago | parent [-]

The entire point of technology is to provide shortcuts. Compilers are shortcuts to creativity. So are IDEs. So are game engines. Laziness is not an inherent vice and working hard is not an inherent virtue, no matter how long the gold stars for effort linger in your memory.

	▲	hollowturtle 20 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> The entire point of technology is to provide shortcuts. Convenience not shortcuts, they're very different. > Compilers are shortcuts to creativity. So are IDEs. I argue that they're not shortcuts, but convenient ways for making you more productive. And compilers made use productive 1000x not AI that allegedly made us 10x(and it's actually not)