| ▲ | nater5000 20 hours ago |
| >Anything I write will be outdone in 2 seconds by someone else. Then it's not really a hobby, no? Sounds more like a weird competition. >But before I could, many many others had an LLM do the same thing and my work was obsolete in a moment. There went that hobby... so now I'm hunting a new one... That sounds more like a job, at least with your perspective. >I gain no joy from that, the joy I would have gained would be from other people using my work. Now they can produce my work without me entirely... That's a job, man. Even if you're not getting paid money for it, you're not really doing it for yourself. The point is a bit moot cause it's the same difference: you can get joy from a "job" and AI making that job obsolete sucks regardless. But if that's what you think a hobby is, then you don't have an actual hobby. Go take up gardening. |
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| ▲ | dumberquestions 19 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| We've thoroughly pathologized this aspect throughout history, but doing things that earn you societal status and respect from others is a essential for having a healthy psyche for many, possibly most people, men especially struggle when they don't have avenues to demonstrate skill and competence. |
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| ▲ | tverbeure 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| There is nothing wrong with admitting that a (small) part of a hobby is getting recognition from your peers. I’m just happy that, for now, AI can hold a soldering iron or operate a multimeter. As for gardening: the town where I grew up has these plots of land for vegetable gardens There’s a long waiting list to get one. You should see how the plot holders compete over who has the best vegetable beds. |
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| ▲ | nemomarx 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Doing things to share them with others is pretty normal in a hobby. You might be baking for friends and family or sewing clothes or whatever, and want to enjoy the recipients appreciation for it. If people don't accept your gifts, the satisfaction of it will go away, and the same is often true of small coding projects I think. |
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| ▲ | xboxnolifes 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If their hobby was contributing through code and now their contributions are worthless, they have lost a hobby. |
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| ▲ | sqeak 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I wish I could take up gardening but alas I live in an apartment like most other people... I suppose you got me, I have no hobbies and it's just another reason to not want to be here. :) Everything is work and not much fun, is it? |
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| ▲ | lelanthran 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This is a weird PoV - that a hobby is only a hobby if there is no community and you do it solo. Sounds like you're saying tennis can't be a hobby. Nor videogames, nor making movies, writing stories, etc. I mean, it'd be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic: hobbies via a community is still a hobby. There is no requirement that to qualify as a hobby it has to be completely audience-free. |
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| ▲ | nater5000 18 hours ago | parent [-] | | >that a hobby is only a hobby if there is no community and you do it solo Didn't say that. >Sounds like you're saying tennis can't be a hobby. Nor videogames, nor making movies, writing stories, etc. Nope, those are not conclusions you can draw from what I said. >hobbies via a community is still a hobby Yup, don't disagree with that. >There is no requirement that to qualify as a hobby it has to be completely audience-free. Never said that. What I did say as that producing a product which is meant to be consumed by others and which offers you no joy if it isn't consumed isn't a hobby- it's a job. Money doesn't need to be exchanged for it to be a profit-seeking activity. And to be clear: I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that. But what I am saying is that, fundamentally, AI can't make a proper hobby obsolete. The OP is disheartened because his "hobby" is no longer relevant because AI can do his hobby better than him. Just take a step back and think about that: does it make any sense? Can you think of a reasonable example of a hobby where this dynamic can ever occur? Like, AI has gotten pretty good at music. Does that mean everybody who was in a band for the fun of it all disbanded because AI can make music better than them? Of course not; they still enjoy making music. Now, a band who is trying to make money off of their efforts may be facing a different reality: if people are able to generate better music than what they can produce for way cheaper, then staying in a band for profit is a hard sell. But note that in both instances, these people (who are clearly operating within a community) are doing the same exact activity, but one set of people are doing it as a hobby while the other is doing it as a job. And again, to be clear: I'm not saying the OP's feelings aren't valid. They wanted to produce something that others would find valuable, and AI made their efforts obsolete. That sucks, and they're clearly not alone. What I'm disagreeing with is the notion that that is a hobby. And that's an important distinction, because the OP is claiming they don't have a hobby anymore and I'm claiming they never did. They should have a hobby- a proper hobby- because it's important for humans to have hobbies for their own well being. | | |
| ▲ | vuurmot 14 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | There are hobbies that are heavily social..
I don't know what kind of maniac would make videogames purely for themselves Imagine an apocalyptic zombie world, and what the last remaining man seek to do is... make video games for himself | |
| ▲ | lelanthran 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > What I did say as that producing a product which is meant to be consumed by others and which offers you no joy if it isn't consumed isn't a hobby- it's a job. You're literally saying the same thing again - that $FOO isn't a hobby if it needs an audience. And, it's still wrong - there are hobbies that require an audience, and they're still hobbies. | |
| ▲ | eudamoniac 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I see what you're saying but I don't fully agree. Art is the obvious counterexample, like the poetry circles of old. The hobby was writing and sharing your poetry with peers. If no one was reading it, there would be much less joy in the production. That doesn't make it a job, it just makes it a social hobby. The thing with that poster is that the output is not wholly art but also utility, so the AI could fully subsume that thing, if the consumers only care for the utility part. And software in general, qua art, is not an art that anyone but the author consumes, except for video games. So you're kind of right but also I think OP was using software as an artistic outlet through a utility output, which was neither a job nor is his current despair unfounded. OP if you want to keep writing software for others you have to abandon the utility function and make art, such as games. That will fix your issue. And no, AI cannot make games as good as a human can. |
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| ▲ | mulr00ney 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Thank you for this post, enlightened being |
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| ▲ | airstrike 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Woefully out of touch and crass. |
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| ▲ | happytoexplain 20 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| This is hideous. |
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| ▲ | spiderice 19 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's not. At all. If someone likes digging tunnels by hand, that's a hobby. If someone is mad that tunneling companies make it hard for them to find "hand tunneling work", that's not a hobby. That's someone thinking their work is owed attention. Go find a hobby that you like doing for yourself. Why do you think so many engineers turn to woodworking? It isn't because they think they're going to compete with Ikea. | | |
| ▲ | happytoexplain 19 hours ago | parent [-] | | Rhetorical analogies are for people who can not, or will not, respect the subject on its own terms. This is hideous. | | |
| ▲ | abletonlive 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | You can keep saying it’s hideous to feel morally superior for yourself but it’s not working here. Rhetorical analogies? There is no rhetorical analogy here it’s a fair analogy. Plenty of people take up woodworking and it is definitely one of the most impractical hobbies out there. Most people do not think they are going to derive net positive value out of woodworking. Respecting the subject on its own terms? What happened to you, did you just come back from reeducation camp or something? |
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