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▲ maxo133 6 hours ago

Google is probably the most aggressive anti-privacy big tech company currently operating.

No other big-tech company goes to such great lengths to deanonymize users and make its services difficult to use, especially during account creation.

The requirement to have a mobile device to scan a QR code to verify that you're human. Reverse SMS verification, where you have to send an SMS rather than receive a verification code. You think of signing up using a VPN server in another country? The phone number you use to send the SMS from must also be from that country.

Not being able to watch YouTube videos when using VPN - without signing in to a Google account, all under the guise of "bot protection."

Gemini not working in 3/4 of cases when using VPN.

It's essentially almost impossible to create a Google account without giving up your identity, and your phone number often leads directly to your real-life identity.

I'm not sure what happened in recent years, but they definitely switched their strategy to maximize data collection and make sure privacy-savy users are pressured via technical solutions to reveal their identities.

PS. The first company federal investigators often go for data is often Google

▲burningChrome 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Trying to fight it takes an enormous amount of time and energy. I carry two phones now - since I have my "privacy" enabled phone that basically has nothing on it. Email, messages, weather app and a few privacy enabled browsers. My other phone has all my "faux" google stuff on it. Maps, gmail, banking apps, my authenticator apps, music apps, etc.

Even then, these can all be tied together fairly easy, but just trying to make it harder to keep my data private is such a battle; and friends always ask me why I spend so much time trying to keep myself anonymous when in 2026 its virtually impossible to do so.

I always tell them: “Bene vixit, bene qui latuit.” (To live well is to live concealed.)

▲jacquesm an hour ago | parent | next [-]

If two phones both carry enabled GPS and/or have NFC or bluetooth switched on then it is very easy to match them.

▲InsidiousWombat 18 minutes ago | parent [-]

Nothing like that is required, if you see them on same mobile tower or wifi networks often enough you can say with huge certainty they are owned by same individual.

Basically any piece of information that can be correlated is enough once you have enough data points. Hell, you could probably figure out a way to correlate it by temperature sensor readings

▲Waterluvian 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This all sounds completely sensible. And yet, being caught by the police with two phones would probably be a big stupid red flag for them.

▲mixdup 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Having two phones is more common than you think, and has a very plausible explanation even if it's not true for the particular individual: One is my work phone, issued by my company, other one is mine

That happens all the time

▲pessimizer 5 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I feel like BYOD was when the disease accelerated. It was the coup excuse for everybody and their mother to own a piece of your personal phone. Bank apps not working with rooted phones is pretty much BYOD 2.0.

▲m463 33 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Separation of church and state goes way back, maybe before the iphone.

▲noah_buddy 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Unless you’re clever about setting up the phones to match your excuse, you are now lying to the police as well.

▲SllX 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Follow the usernames in the response chain. I have two phones for the exact same reason as well: work issued & personal. It would hold up just because it’s actually true. There’s no need to arrange anything beyond how they are naturally arranged.

▲achenet 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think this is the time to share this classic PSA about why you should always exercise your right to silence:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

▲Brian_K_White 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's crazy that the police can lie to you.

By rights the simple comeback is they can lie to you so F'em.

The real answer is you don't offer any explaination because it's not something you need to explain or get anyone's permission for.

Feel free to wonder. Give me a hard time and I'll just do my best to give you a hard time back. After you confiscate my stuff and detain me and I turn out not to have broken any laws, I'll do everything I can think of to extract an apology and compensation and penalty. Afro Man is my hero. You will become my new career.

That's my little fantasy anyway but I do see it as a duty to at least resist a little. In reality I'll fold pretty easy but I will be as much sand in the gears as I can.

▲bryanrasmussen 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

depending on where you are it may be legal to lie to the police.

▲Teever 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Incorporate and have the phone be owned by your corporation. You're a contractor who separates business from pleasure.

▲Benard-dev 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

In Uganda carrying two phones is completely normal. Many people have one for work and one for personal use, or simply because they can afford a second phone. Police wouldn't think twice about it.

▲lostlogin 2 hours ago | parent [-]

40 minutes, and not a single ‘I’m moving to Uganda’ message.

▲kainovak 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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▲foresto 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> It's essentially almost impossible to create a Google account without giving up your identity, and your phone number often leads directly to your real-life identity.

I had a Gmail account before they required phone numbers. One day, Google stopped allowing me to log in, demanding my phone number if I wanted to continue. Nothing was wrong with my credentials, or behavior patterns, or IP address, or anything at all. My already-registered recovery email address didn't help. There was no way to appeal.

I'm not willing to have my phone number extorted from me, so I sighed and accepted that I'll never again have use of that account. It remains a constant source of irritation, because it still forwards incoming messages to my home email address, and Google doesn't do a very good job of filtering out all the spam before they forward it my way.

Adding insult to injury, Google still (years later) hasn't made good on their announcement that idle accounts would be deleted. I wish they would. I'm done with Google.

▲david_allison 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> Google still (years later) hasn't made good on their announcement that idle accounts would be deleted.

They should be after 2 years, I occasionally get emails, linking: https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/12418290

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▲ProblemExplorer 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I'm not sure what happened in recent years, but they definitely switched their strategy to maximize data collection and make sure privacy-savy users are pressured via technical solutions to reveal their identities.

Every scammer, fraudster, scammer-in-training, fraudster-in-training, uses a Google account.

The first company federal investigators often go for data is often Google because that's the start of their lead into their investigation. Google needs to provide answers, sometimes by regulation in countries.

▲bsammon 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> It's essentially almost impossible to create a Google account without giving up your identity, and your phone number often leads directly to your real-life identity.

A process I've gone through a few times (though I didn't actually want a Google Account):

1) Get a new (second-hand sometimes) ChromeOS or Android device.

2) (if necessary) do a power-wash or factory-reset.

3) Do the "set up a new device" process.

4) When it asks you for a Google account, click on the "I don't have one. create a new account" button.

In all these cases, the device didn't (or couldn't, in the case of the Chromebook) have a SIMcard in it, so it couldn't link it to a phone number.

One smartphone that I bought for $20, and never (IIRC) had a SIMCard in, I think the only identity-oriented app I have on it is Netflix. I've wondered if Google links the smartphone's google account to the Netflix account (which is actually not me, but a cousin's), and whether Netflix is complicit in this linking.

▲BizarroLand 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I imagine that Google is keeping a log of the ip addresses that phone reports when it's connected to wifi. I There's probably some overlay between you and your known associates / locations.

▲Terr_ 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

They also log all the locations where anybody's phone encountered an SSID.

It's unclear whether an SSID suffixed with _nomap truly opts out of the collection, or whether it simply opts out of later sharing.

▲xnickb 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Even if they don't, the law enforcement definitely does (or rather requires your ISP to).

So depending on who you are trying to protect against you are in for varying amounts of fun.

▲someothherguyy 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> No other big-tech company goes to such great lengths to deanonymize users and make its services difficult to use, especially during account creation.

meta comes to mind? you can't even interact with their services unless you have an account, and they ban you if you don't reveal yourself transparently. then they ask you for a state-issued ID to appeal bans. seems like some great lengths to me.

▲margalabargala 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I agree. Meta is as bad as if not worse than Google.

It is however much easier to navigate life without Meta than without Google. Even if you use different email, etc, if you collaborate with someone on a doc or whatever they are likely to send you a google link.

▲m463 26 minutes ago | parent [-]

google is everywhere. Most websites have one or more of google fonts, google apis, googletagmanager/doubleclick, captcha or more.

One up-and-coming entrant is cloudflare, which prevents you from accessing websites unless you have javascript and cookies enabled.

all the other cdn providers do this too, like akamai, fastly, cloudflare, etc.

▲m463 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Do you say google over meta because meta has a smaller footprint?

also: you can subscribe to duckduckgo ($99 or $199/year) and that gives you not only VPN access, but DDaaS - Data Deletion as a Service.

:)

(don't know how data deletion works outside of california, but I think california allows you to say "all brokers delete my data")

▲happymellon 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Gemini doesn't work 10/10 times for me.

Recently its taken over and I can't switch back to Assistant on Android. Now I have timers that run for a bit and then disappear, and whenever I'm driving and use voice to call it brings up the phone number and requires me to press again to dial.

Absolutely frustrating and I don't understand how this can be pushed as the default.

I can only assume its another scenario where they disable all the features because I'm not in the US, but then never tested it.

▲jambalaya8 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Google discontinued Assistant in the first week of September, 2026; it was ostensibly 'replaced' by Gemini then. They should have allowed both until the kinks were worked out of Gemini.

▲happymellon 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Unfortunately voice control of my phone died on that date too.

Thanks Google.

▲genxy 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They also attached to a VERY HIGH NUMBER of ip addresses when you launch Chrome. Run an application level firewall and look at Chrome's behavior on startup. So many that I think they are geolocating users, even across VPNs

▲throw7 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Age verification is pretty aggressive... recently tried creating a youtube account (google) and they require gov't id/facecheck/creditcard? once you hit age restricted content.

▲axus 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Meta is worse, but easier to ignore.

▲jstanley 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> The requirement to have a mobile device to scan a QR code to verify that you're human.

FWIW I've never seen this.

▲rwmj 5 hours ago | parent [-]

It's required for setting up a new Youtube account now.

▲shevy-java 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> No other big-tech company goes to such great lengths to deanonymize users and make its services difficult to use, especially during account creation

Dunno. Facebook is pretty ruthless and evil here as well.

▲adrian_b 42 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Maybe, but I am not aware of anybody being forced to make a Facebook account.

Even in Europe, many banks are now blackmailing their clients into making Google accounts, as a condition for continuing to have access to online banking (and even if you had not wanted online banking, that would have been a difficult choice, as many brick-and-mortar bank agencies have been closed).

▲HoldOnAMinute 19 minutes ago | parent [-]

Why isn't there a European alternative to Gmail? One that is focused on Euro laws like GDPR ?

▲genxy 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Google is better at it, they goon from the closest while Meta just pulls up a seat.

▲_s_a_m_ 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Google is probably the most aggressive anti-privacy big tech company currently operating

isnt that their only business model almost from day 1? Everyone shitting on Meta because of privacy but Google's the worst.

▲achenet 3 hours ago | parent [-]

the original business model was, if I'm not mistaken, licensing the search technology.

Then they found that showing ads with the search results made them a lot more money.

They started optimizing for money made from ads, which depends on user data - letting advertisers show ads to targeted customers.

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▲ninininino 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Have you noticed the front page article sharing front page real estate with this one about Big Tech getting in trouble for not doing more to stop scamming and fraudsters?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/oct/14/dating-app-s...

Regulators want Big Tech to stop children from doing various things (such as access certain platforms or content), to stop fraudsters and scammers, to stop foreign intelligence operations or bots from astroturfing social media/manipulating social discourse, and so on.

Failing to so leads to inquiries, new laws or regulations, fines, and so on.

The technical solutions to combat these problems are the exact solutions that also ruin privacy for users, create friction at account creation time, require ever more draconian identity verification methods and so on. It's 1:1.

"I'm not sure what happened in recent years, but they definitely switched their strategy to maximize data collection and make sure privacy-savy users are pressured via technical solutions to reveal their identities."

It's really not any more complicated than that Governments have told them its time to start violating users privacy in order to combat these other problems.

▲fred_is_fred 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

More data = better ad sales.

▲baggachipz 5 hours ago | parent [-]

line go up