| ▲ | dyauspitr a day ago |
| Social media, smart phones, and all of that are heavily responsible for this, but at the same time I think the main crux of the issue, in my opinion, is that we don’t have a common culture anymore. As long as you don’t have a common culture and a common understanding of the basic rules that everyone agrees on, no one can spend time with each other comfortably. |
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| ▲ | estearum a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| We absolutely do have a common culture. The fact so many people think we do not is derivative of social media and smartphones. All but the most extreme far-right and far-left people in the country really do agree on 95%+ of anything with daily relevance to their lives. |
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| ▲ | HoldOnAMinute a day ago | parent | next [-] | | For a long time the number 1 song in the USA was "Choosin Texas" by Ella Langley. I have no idea who that is and I've never heard the song. | | |
| ▲ | estearum a day ago | parent [-] | | Is that the type of "culture" that this statement is referring to? > As long as you don’t have a common culture and a common understanding of the basic rules that everyone agrees on, no one can spend time with each other comfortably. Doesn't seem so to me. | | |
| ▲ | bluefirebrand 21 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Is that the type of "culture" that this statement is referring to? Shared music is absolutely part of common culture | | |
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| ▲ | ryandrake a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I don’t think the “agreeing middle” is 95% anymore. Maybe this is a Chronically Online POV but it seems the extremes are growing quickly, the center is shrinking, and society is going bimodal. | | |
| ▲ | structural 21 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The center is mostly offline, thinks both extremes are very small portions of the population, and doesn't post on social media. So they seem small but really there are a lot of people like this who aren't shouting into the internet 24/7, so you just remember that what you hear is all the extremists shouting, not the people you saw during the course of a week who weren't. | |
| ▲ | estearum a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Society is going bimodal on the 1% of issues that bisect people. Those 1% of issues are consuming 99% of our mass-media airtime. Talk to your neighbors and you'll find that everyone just cares about decent roads, decent schools, decent jobs, and decent healthcare. | |
| ▲ | pessimizer 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The central part of their identity is to assume that they're the vast majority of people. It allows them not to have to think about stuff too hard - it's all settled, and it's settled on what the people I'm exposed to (i.e. friends, family, and the television) think. I'm safe just repeating that and reporting people who deviate from that. They don't realize how much the "moral majority" differs in town as opposed to the city, the coasts as opposed to the bulk of the country, in small private liberal arts colleges in the east and at Mormon universities in Utah, or in China, Russia, or Bulgaria as compared to the suburb they grew up in. If all of those people simply follow the central tendency, and give mass media the same (or greater) weight as they give their neighbors, that guarantees war all the time. It will always be better to listen and try to understand points of view that you aren't familiar with, rather than to hide in the safe (and always untrue depending on the shape of the border you draw) assumption that you represent the vast majority. This, without even considering whether the vast majority are right or wrong. I mean, some people are so impervious to reality with this that they can lose election after election and believe that they are still 95% of people. Then they start theorizing about mind control and supernatural entities, just to keep from opening their eyes and ears. |
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| ▲ | dyauspitr a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | That 95% number is so far from the truth. Gen Z males are significantly (though not majority) right wing and Gen Z females are the exact opposite. Based on data, 67% of the time, Gen Z males and females do not agree on the same political issues. | | |
| ▲ | estearum a day ago | parent [-] | | You are missing the point. "Political issues" are by definition things that people disagree on. Saying people "disagree on political issues" is equivalent to saying "people disagree on things they disagree on." But the vast majority of daily life is not driven by or meaningfully affected by any of these "issues on which people disagree." If you go and talk to your neighbors, even ones who you disagree with on disagreement-creating-topics, you will find you actually agree on nearly everything. The set of things you agree on is called "our culture." | | |
| ▲ | dyauspitr 20 hours ago | parent [-] | | I disagree. These are fundamental viewpoints that affect every aspect of everyday life. The biggest disagreements are in fundamental things like whether to have children, childrearing gender roles, household responsibilities between genders, education about gender issues/LGBTQ etc. These are not some far away issues that don’t affect everyday life. The overall fundamental issue seems to be in regards to gender roles, and that affects every married couple. |
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| ▲ | SoftTalker a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| The fragmentation of culture is also the fault of social media (and all media to a lesser extent). It's far easier to get sucked in to echo chambers where other opinions are mocked or shut out. In the past we all got our news from Walter Cronkite. |
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| ▲ | logicchains a day ago | parent [-] | | The homogenization of culture was the fault of traditional centralized media. If you go back before the printing press, there was actually a much greater diversity of cultures and languages. Decentralized (social) media is bringing us back to how traditionally tribal humanity used to be. | | |
| ▲ | SoftTalker 21 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I may be incorrectly inferring that you think this is a good thing, but "traditionally tribal humanity" were constantly at war with one another. I'm not sure that's something we want to go back to. | | |
| ▲ | crtified 16 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes, it was (and some places, sadly continues to be) the ultimate horror that people can visit upon each-other. Suffering it, over and over and over, was what led humanity down the natural, logical path to becoming civilised and cooperative. It's the lesson we need to learn well, if our self-appointed badge of Very Intelligent Species is to actually mean anything more than a pointless, neverending game of forming factions and battling other factions. |
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| ▲ | dyauspitr 20 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I’ll take more of that homogenization of culture please. |
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