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| ▲ | Murfalo 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Same. I'm in the US and do not use Amazon at all. Life, and the products I buy, actually got much better. Amazon is overpriced and low quality. Pretty much everywhere else has better products, lower prices and free & fast shipping at this point (Walmart, Target, Home Depot, direct purchases, etc.). Pretty shocked at all the people defending Amazon here. | | |
| ▲ | BenjiWiebe 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | It depends on what you're buying. I've found plenty of items that are cheaper on Amazon with free shipping, than picking them up in store at Walmart. Which is just crazy. |
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| ▲ | fhd2 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm in Germany, and I usually just find a good option outside Amazon, then look for the best deal, which is rarely Amazon. Thanks to express checkout (Google/Apple Pay or PayPal is almost always an option), it's pretty much zero hassle. BUT, if I care more about getting something real fast than the quality, or if I don't want to pay 5 EUR for shipping (especially cheap stuff), I'm not aware of any competition Amazon has here. I use it quite a bit still, for these two use cases. | | |
| ▲ | bix6 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think EU still has a chance but here in America we’ve succumbed to the Bezos convenience |
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| ▲ | Gormo 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Thousand of long-tail ecommerce sites focused on narrow markets; buying things directly from the supplier; using other large-scale marketplace e-commerce sites and aggregators like Walmert, Newegg, Rakuten, etc. | | |
| ▲ | eddyfromtheblok 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | you just have to find and want products from these suppliers that aren't sold on amazon. easy | | |
| ▲ | Gormo 24 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Not sure I understand what you're saying. What if I just order the same products otherwise sold on Amazon, but from a different store? |
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| ▲ | Intermernet 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Buying online direct from the manufacturer? Almost everyone sells direct. Use Amazon to find the seller and then contact them directly. | | |
| ▲ | TFNA 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | What if you want to buy simple Chinese plastic stuff (e.g. someone elsewhere mentioned zip ties)? The manufacturer is somewhere in China with a minimum order of 10,000, so no, you can't go to them. Amazon is often the cheapest source for this, cheaper than any local retail. | | |
| ▲ | Intermernet 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Honestly? AliExpress wins for this stuff. The shipping is always much more expensive than the actual items, so I batch purchase stuff like this. Funnily enough, sometimes, despite paying only one shipping cost, it arrives in multiple shipments. | |
| ▲ | bluefirebrand 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Personally I buy that stuff locally anyways to support my local economy. Even if it does cost me a bit extra, continuing to have local businesses is worth it to me | | |
| ▲ | mark_something 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I prefer online retailers because there is a lot more choice there. I can't find an inflatable knee pillow in local stores. The supermarket close to me even stopped selling batteries. | | |
| ▲ | Intermernet 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | This is true. Many "weird" purchases that used to be available from someone local are now impossible to get. Not sure about the supermarket not stocking batteries though... That's just insane. |
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| ▲ | bix6 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You have a small shop that sells zip ties? The only place I would expect to find something like that is a big box store or a hardware store (which are all chains now). | | |
| ▲ | HelloImSteven an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Lots of art stores (not just chains) have them. Not as much variety as Amazon, but still. | |
| ▲ | bluefirebrand 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Buying from a big box store still does support local jobs though Like yeah, Walmart isn't really much better than Amazon in the grand scheme of things, but I would rather people be able to get stable employment at a Walmart store than have to fight it out as gig workers delivering for Amazon. Maybe I'm overthinking it though | | |
| ▲ | bix6 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Walmart employees are historically on food stamps. Neither is sufficiently better than the other imo | | |
| ▲ | bluefirebrand 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm not saying that Walmart is great, but maybe that Walmart+food stamps is better than just food stamps? It's not like being a delivery gig worker is great income either |
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| ▲ | tosapple 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | yup |
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| ▲ | reliabilityguy 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Amazon delivers next day or the same day many of the items if you have Prime. I tried many times to order something directly, and most of the time it’s the same price and longer shipping. So, for me in terms of convenience Amazon wins. | |
| ▲ | bix6 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Why would I do that? Now I’m spending time verifying individual random brands all to get the same price (plus shipping)? | | |
| ▲ | Intermernet 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm not sure about where you are from, but in Australia I've recently had just as reliable service, shipping costs and delivery times from individual brands as from Amazon. Amazon used to be better, and they still have the logistics network to be better, but they've dropped the ball. If this downward trend hasn't hit you yet, it's only a matter of time. | | |
| ▲ | bix6 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | I’m in the US and they continue to beat competitors. The logistics network is unparalleled. |
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| ▲ | s_dev 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Amazon isn't the only place to buy things. There are millions of other retailers both online and offline. | | | |
| ▲ | xgulfie 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Depending on your constraints, the Walmart app | | |
| ▲ | bix6 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Is the Walton family not approximately equivalent to the Bezos family? | | |
| ▲ | Gormo 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | AFAIK, they are two completely disjoint sets of individuals. But could you clarify what that has to do with the goods and services offered by large publicly-traded firms that members of those families happened to be the original founders of? | | |
| ▲ | bix6 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes it has to do with oligarchs being oligarchs. | | |
| ▲ | Gormo 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Please disable the polemic_buzzwords flag, adjust reasoning level up to medium-high, and re-run the prompt. | | |
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| ▲ | intended 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Competition. | | |
| ▲ | bix6 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | Helpful thanks. | | |
| ▲ | intended 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | In all seriousness, yes - competition is the answer. There can be no alternative when Amazon is able to buy them out, or dominate the market through network effects. |
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| ▲ | wat10000 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I don’t understand the question. The reasonable alternative is to not use them and buy stuff elsewhere. There’s a million places to buy stuff. I haven’t ordered anything from Amazon in months. | | |
| ▲ | bix6 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | I’m not interested in a million places, I’m interested in one that has everything with 1-2 day shipping included. Convenience is a major factor. | | |
| ▲ | Gormo 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Yeah, I'm with you. I also have a very specific set of requirements, including only buying from companies headquartered in the Seattle area that have at least one 'o' in their name. That narrows it down to Amazon and Costco for general merchandise. But I'm also considering adding a criterion that the vendor's logo needs to include a swoosh or arrow of some kind, which would eliminate Costco, at which point I'll be stuck only with Amazon. I know people are going to chime in and say "the fact that all of your personal criteria align maximally with the strengths of one particular vendor doesn't represent an uncompetitive market, but to the contrary, represents an extremely competitive market in which all of the participants are distinguishing themselves by maximizing the value they offer to different market segments with diverse preferences." But as a presumptuous narcissist, my expectation is that everyone in the market should be optimizing their business practices to satisfy my preferences in particular, rather than limiting my options by trying to appeal to anyone other than me. | |
| ▲ | wat10000 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | How often do you buy stuff online? It’s not a factor for me. My last online purchase was water filters. Got them from Home Depot, easy peasy. Before that, I’m not sure, it’s been a few weeks at least. In any case, there’s a big difference between “there’s no reasonable alternative” and “there are plenty of reasonable alternatives but I like Amazon more.” | | |
| ▲ | reliabilityguy 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > How often do you buy stuff online? At least 3-4 times a week, ranging from groceries to various household items, like water filters and what not. I mean, different people have different behavioral patterns and preferences, if Amazon is not for you, it’s fine. It definitely works for me and saves me a lot of time. | |
| ▲ | bix6 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | More often than not. Why would I spend my valuable time at a big box store like Home Depot that might not even have what I need at that store? They are all functionally equivalent members of the oligarch class. | | |
| ▲ | wat10000 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Home Depot has an online store. And almost ubiquitous free shipping without any subscription. I didn’t order those from Amazon because their search sucks, I’d have to pay for shipping or find something else to bundle into the purchase, and I don’t trust them with anything that goes on or in my body. At least with Home Depot, if I end up in the hospital because their water filters poisoned me, I can point to their name on the label and sue them. |
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